Eskom load-shedding kicks in

thestaggy said:
Soweto accounts for 48% of municipal debt owed to Eskom, so yeah, switching those leeches off will help significantly. They are obviously using a lot of electricity and contributing nothing.
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I believe only around 4000 households in Soweto have prepaid meters installed. How would you switch the leeches off but not the paying ones?

Let's assume the entire area gets cut off, won't we just move the issue? Surely the residents will just pack up and go find camp in other areas and start jippoeing the system again.
 
TelkomUseless said:
They (ANC) will lose all the votes in Soweto if they cut them off. The culture is freebies for all ANC supporters...
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No they won't, the impression I always get here when there is a discussion about Soweto is how ignorant people are, Soweto is a massive area, many people in Soweto are paying for electricity, those who are not paying are even affecting service delivery to other residents of Soweto, who just like you and me are paying for electricity. Support will come from within Soweto if government and Eskom had any will to deal with the non payers. Of course they would lose votes but not all votes in Soweto.
 
3lOH55A said:
I believe only around 4000 households in Soweto have prepaid meters installed. How would you switch the leeches off but not the paying ones?

Let's assume the entire area gets cut off, won't we just move the issue? Surely the residents will just pack up and go find camp in other areas and start jippoeing the system again.
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Yeah, you're right, so nothing must be done and the debt owed must just grow and grow and Eskoms situation must get worse till the entire SA gets cut off.
 
3lOH55A said:
I believe only around 4000 households in Soweto have prepaid meters installed. How would you switch the leeches off but not the paying ones?

Let's assume the entire area gets cut off, won't we just move the issue? Surely the residents will just pack up and go find camp in other areas and start jippoeing the system again.
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In 2011 the number of households in Soweto was 355,33, which could be a lot higher today. What about the remaining 351,331+?

With these numbers, the ANC knows that it will lose any election if they do take action. There is nothing they can do.
 
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supersunbird said:
Yeah, you're right, so nothing must be done and the debt owed must just grow and grow and Eskoms situation must get worse till the entire SA gets cut off.
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Don't misunderstand me. Something has to be done.
It just seems like an impossible task, as the problem will just move.
 
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3lOH55A said:
Don't misunderstand me. Something has to be done.
It just seems like an impossible task, as the problem will just move.
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We're dealing with two decades of entitlement here. What this means is that it won't be fixed overnight. Start switching the leeches off. If they move, switch them off in the next area. Force compliance until they realise that there is no such thing as ''free''.

The ANC can also do their bit by stop promising free everything, as they're the root cause of all of this. They're the ones that have created a culture of entitlement.

What p*sses me off is that they walk through the suburbs, harassing you to check your meter connections yet informal settlements illegally connect to the grid - with their knowledge - and they have no balls to cut them off. Always quick to harass the people that actually comply but let the leeches suck the place dry.
 
thestaggy said:
We're dealing with two decades of entitlement here. What this means is that it won't be fixed overnight. Start switching the leeches off. If they move, switch them off in the next area. Force compliance until they realise that there is no such thing as ''free''.

The ANC can also do their bit by stop promising free everything, as they're the root cause of all of this. They're the ones that have created a culture of entitlement.

What p*sses me off is that they walk through the suburbs, harassing you to check your meter connections yet informal settlements illegally connect to the grid - with their knowledge - and they have no balls to cut them off. Always quick to harass the people that actually comply but let the leeches suck the place dry.
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Problem is, its free, its become free, it will never not be non-free. Thats how africa works. Thats until we have proper leadership, which will not happen in our or our kids' lifetimes probably, it would take a cataclysmic event to change
 
thestaggy said:
We're dealing with two decades of entitlement here. What this means is that it won't be fixed overnight. Start switching the leeches off. If they move, switch them off in the next area. Force compliance until they realise that there is no such thing as ''free''.
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The culture of non-payment has been going on for a lot longer than 2 decades. The ANC of course encouraged it during the struggle and they're now struggling to break it. While the reason for the old boycott may have been valid, they are now longer valid but it is now entrenched as people realise it feels not to have to pay if you can get away with it.

They can't cut off individuals as they're just connect illegally, and cutting off the whole place then punishes the paying customers as well and you lose any goodwill you may have which turns those paying customers into protestors along with the leeches.
 
R13... said:
The culture of non-payment has been going on for a lot longer than 2 decades. The ANC of course encouraged it during the struggle and they're now struggling to break it. While the reason for the old boycott may have been valid, they are now longer valid but it is now entrenched as people realise it feels not to have to pay if you can get away with it.

They can't cut off individuals as they're just connect illegally, and cutting off the whole place then punishes the paying customers as well and you lose any goodwill you may have which turns those paying customers into protestors along with the leeches.
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It's 1% that is paying, that's unfortunately a casuality that Eskom would have to live with, or make a plan on those households, but the fact that 99% aren't paying means they should cut it off.
 
Loadshedding has nothing to do with Soweto.

It's all about coal management, and corruption.
 
R13... said:
The culture of non-payment has been going on for a lot longer than 2 decades. The ANC of course encouraged it during the struggle and they're now struggling to break it. While the reason for the old boycott may have been valid, they are now longer valid but it is now entrenched as people realise it feels not to have to pay if you can get away with it.

They can't cut off individuals as they're just connect illegally, and cutting off the whole place then punishes the paying customers as well and you lose any goodwill you may have which turns those paying customers into protestors along with the leeches.
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They're not even trying to do this. They'd sooner carry out loadshedding and punish the people that comply than go and cut the leeches off.

As for those illegal connections, they are pretty obvious and they can be cut. It unfortunately requires the balls and political willpower the ANC clearly lacks. And you don't run up R15 billion in debt from a handful of people not paying. We are talking about rampant non-compliance.
 
rakabos3 said:
Problem is, its free, its become free, it will never not be non-free. Thats how africa works. Thats until we have proper leadership, which will not happen in our or our kids' lifetimes probably, it would take a cataclysmic event to change
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I live in Africa and my municipal rates and electricity are paid up. I receive no freebies either. So does my friends'. Why doesn't my part of Africa work the way you describe it? I know, it's individuals.
 
Lupus said:
It's 1% that is paying, that's unfortunately a casuality that Eskom would have to live with, or make a plan on those households, but the fact that 99% aren't paying means they should cut it off.
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It is not Eskom who has to live with it, it is the paying residents, you won't like it if you are switched off because your neighbour is not paying, would you?
 
thechamp said:
It is not Eskom who has to live with it, it is the paying residents, you won't like it if you are switched off because your neighbour is not paying, would you?
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I'd have no choice would I? And I'd make a plan as why should they be freeloading while everyone else is paying? I already came from a suburb that had more power failures then it had power, so no power isn't really that much of an issue.
 
thechamp said:
It is not Eskom who has to live with it, it is the paying residents, you won't like it if you are switched off because your neighbour is not paying, would you?
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R15 billion debt is not a handful of people not paying. That is rampant non-compliance.

Eskom only provides about 180 000 households with electricity...

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Cleopatra Shezi, the secretary of the Soweto Electricity Crisis Committee, which opposes the installation of prepaid meters, said most Sowetans can't afford to pay for electricity.

"We can't afford to use our last money that should get us bread and pay for electricity," Shezi said.

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Phasiwe said the only viable solution was switching to prepaid metering, which Sowetans strongly oppose, with only 40000 having prepaid meters.
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https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/...to-residents-owe-eskom-r15bn-in-unpaid-bills/

Damn good chance that if you were a Soweto resident both you and your neighbour are not paying.
 
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