Eskom load-shedding kicks in

Zoomzoom said:
When are we, the citizens of this country, going to draw a line under all this garbage and call time on it?

We moan and groan, but do nothing, and I'm wondering if there is a point at which people will stop moaning and start calling for consequences to rain down on those who are guilty of gross mismanagement and incompetence?

And don't look to the DA (or whoever) to save your bacon for you, they are just as corrupt because that is the nature of the system, no accountability = no honesty or integrity.

We urgently need to build accountability and reliable checks and balances into the system. We need to be able kick useless idiots out at any point. No politician should ever feel safe and secure in their cushy little job playing games with our money. One for me, one for roads, one for me, one for hospitals, one for me, one for schools, one for me, one for the military ... and so on.
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How exactly are you going to make the required changes without a party? :unsure:

"And don't look to the DA (or whoever) to save your bacon for you"

Ok...
 
BeerIsNotGood... said:
How exactly are you going to make the required changes without a party? :unsure:

"And don't look to the DA (or whoever) to save your bacon for you"

Ok...
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Ok ... the problem is the wretched party system. there is no accountability to voters. loyalty is to the party uber alles (and yes I use that phrase deliberately). politicians cannot vote with their conscience (if they have such a thing) or in accordance with the will of the people if that view is not in accordance with the wishes of the party. If they do such a thing as act contrary to the party's wishes they are censured, fined, or even removed.

So no, looking to the problem to solve the problem is not going to work i.e. no political party invested in the power structure is going to relinquish their power to change the system.

We need to insist on the necessary change to remove the power from the party and return it to the people. Politicians do not fear the wrath of the voter, and they should.
 
This happens in summer when they are supposed to do critical maintenance.
Lies,lies and more lies.
 
Zoomzoom said:
Ok ... the problem is the wretched party system. there is no accountability to voters. loyalty is to the party uber alles (and yes I use that phrase deliberately). politicians cannot vote with their conscience (if they have such a thing) or in accordance with the will of the people if that view is not in accordance with the wishes of the party. If they do such a thing as act contrary to the party's wishes they are censured, fined, or even removed.

So no, looking to the problem to solve the problem is not going to work i.e. no political party invested in the power structure is going to relinquish their power to change the system.

We need to insist on the necessary change to remove the power from the party and return it to the people. Politicians do not fear the wrath of the voter, and they should.
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We'll never beat it @Zoomzoom, too many people are behind taking over ZA at any cost. There is resentment towards the haves by the have nots and the only solution for them is for nobody to have anything.

I admire your tenacity but I've given up. ZA has almost hit rock bottom.
 
BBSA said:
My solar investment looks better and better by the day!
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lol wait until EWC hits then they'll take the land your solar sits on.

thechamp said:
In the context of the topic under discussion what fully functional country are we talking about, one where a tiny minority of the population had electricity and the majority had to fend for itself in the dark, the ANC messed up a lot but the notion of a fully functional country is a myth.
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Pre 1994 was a fully functioning country. Services weren't being provided equally among races, but the emphasis is on governance and service delivery to the (smaller) market at the time. Eg.

-There was a lot of spare capacity in terms of mothballed power stations.
-Maintenance was done regularly.
-There was no BEE or procurement crap which led to financial problems like today.
-Blackouts weren't common place. This is a macro economic concern.
-The good old SA was known for its innovation look at Denel for example. Post 1994 Eskom has barely embraced any renewable energy because coal means contracts which means corruption. If the technology was around pre-1994 I'm sure the old Eskom would look to diversify its generating capacity.

I could go on, but let's not fool ourselves just because all races weren't served that Eskom wasn't well run.
 
Wasabee! said:
Pre 1994 was a fully functioning country. Services weren't being provided equally among races, but the emphasis is on governance and service delivery to the (smaller) market at the time. Eg.
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That was not the initial claim, of course no one can dispute that part of the population was having it good back then, it's not called the good old days for nothing.

It cannot be called a fully functioning country if services are provided that way, pretty sure even the ANC can look good if they were remove a big percentage of the population off the grid, same with everything else, I am sure that would be quickly evident if the ANC government were to apply some strict BEE policy to service delivery.
 
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thechamp said:
Zuma and the Guptas? The people who are running it now are not responsible for the mess Eskom finds itself in. Voting for Ramaphosa's ANC won't be that much unreasonable, I believe in the leadership.
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You believe in a leader who has been found out for lying to parliament? High standards you have there!
 
Eskom spokesperson Khulu Phasiwe said the latest round of load-shedding was implemented due to high unplanned outages.
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No, it is implemented because you retards have managed to destroy a legal monopoly through gross incompetence, thievery and corruption.
 
thechamp said:
That was not the initial claim, of course no one can dispute that part of the population was having it good back then, it's not called the good old days for nothing.

It cannot be called a fully functioning country if services are provided that way, pretty sure even the ANC can look good if they were remove a big percentage of the population off the grid, same with everything else, I am sure that would be quickly evident if the ANC government were to apply some strict BEE policy to service delivery.
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They can start by switching Soweto off. You know, the people who don't pay and owe Eskom billions?

Soweto owes Eskom a whopping R15-billion – an amount equal to the combined debt of almost 60 other municipalities.
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https://www.enca.com/news/watch-scopa-hears-about-municipal-electricity-non-payment

But muh votes.
 
Trompie67 said:
You believe in a leader who has been found out for lying to parliament? High standards you have there!
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Let's stop beating about the bush here, there will always be a good reason for many who either belong to the opposition or the type who long for the good old days to find something wrong with Ramaphosa, this "lying" to parliament is just one example, if it was not that it would be something else, It does not surprise me at all.
 
thechamp said:
Let's stop beating about the bush here, there will always be a good reason for many who either belong to the opposition or the type who long for the good old days to find something wrong with Ramaphosa, this "lying" to parliament is just one example, if it was not that it would be something else, It does not surprise me at all.
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Why are you placing the word lying in inverted commas? He has been found lying to parliament. If you think it is OK for the president of your country to lie to parliament then I state that there is something very wrong with your moral standards.
Also, stop deflecting. Cyril's lying to parliament is not a conspiracy theory dreamt up by people who long for the good old days. That has stuff all to do with it. Our president is a liar. Finish. And. Klaar.
 
thechamp said:
You think only Soweto would be enough? If that is the caseit would make them much better than I thought.
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Soweto owes Eskom a whopping R15-billion – an amount equal to the combined debt of almost 60 other municipalities.

Altogether the remaining municipalities owe Eskom around R16-billion and the power utility says the figure keeps rising.

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Eskom spokesperson Khulu Phasiwe has previously said that non-payment of bills is almost single-handedly crippling the parastatal.
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Soweto accounts for 48% of municipal debt owed to Eskom, so yeah, switching those leeches off will help significantly. They are obviously using a lot of electricity and contributing nothing.
 
Trompie67 said:
Why are you placing the word lying in inverted commas? He has been found lying to parliament. If you think it is OK for the president of your country to lie to parliament then I state that there is something very wrong with your moral standards.
Also, stop deflecting. Cyril's lying to parliament is not a conspiracy theory dreamt up by people who long for the good old days. That has stuff all to do with it. Our president is a liar. Finish. And. Klaar.
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He must be referring to the comrades' "untruths"
 
thestaggy said:
Soweto accounts for 48% of municipal debt owed to Eskom, so yeah, switching those leeches off will help significantly. They are obviously using a lot of electricity and contributing nothing.
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What gets me about this is that it is a direct product of the apartheid non-payment protest culture which was fine back in the day, but in 20+ years no inroads have been made into changing this culture through education. You use it, you pay for it.
 
Zoomzoom said:
What gets me about this is that it is a direct product of the apartheid non-payment protest culture which was fine back in the day, but in 20+ years no inroads have been made into changing this culture through education. You use it, you pay for it.
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ANC only believes in user pays for GFIP e-toll roads (and then it's still not really user pays)...
 
Zoomzoom said:
What gets me about this is that it is a direct product of the apartheid non-payment protest culture which was fine back in the day, but in 20+ years no inroads have been made into changing this culture through education. You use it, you pay for it.
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They (ANC) will lose all the votes in Soweto if they cut them off. The culture is freebies for all ANC supporters...
 
ANC f*cked this one up all by themselves. Promised free water, free electricity, free education, free healthcare, free housing. They now, 24 years later, reap what they sowed. There is zero political will to change this culture, as it will result in lost votes.
 
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