Fifa admit plan B for 2010

Turiko said:
I have no doubt it will succeed. You know what I have a problem with. All this money will go straight into the pockets of the corrupt. I am sorry but I cannot be proudly a member of a country that steals from its own.
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what money? money goes to FIFA. R200 billion spent on infrastructure benefits south africans. long term tourism and fdi benefits everyone.
 
sandmanm34 said:
Got to agree, we successfully hosted the rugby world cup in 95 as well as the 2003 cricket world cup and more recently but hardly significant the pro 20/20 world cup. All tournaments went off without a hitch and it would appear that our infrastructure was stretched to only ever 80% of its capacity (but I'm speculating with that figure). Could be more or less.

Coupled with this all the improvements/upgrades that are being made for 2010 we should more than capable of hosting the tournament and successfully!!!

Of course should the country be in the state of a full blown civil war then this event aint going to happen. But honestly we are not in that position, not in 94 and not now and are unlightly to be in the future despite what the doom mongers believe..
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The Rugby world cup is not comparable to the fifa world cup in terms of scale or revenues or guarantees BUT they have helped. South Africa pursued an active strategy to host events that would contribute towards a major event bid and hosting. What else could we have hosted?

The Olympic Games focus on one city(except for football) so do the CWG. A history of experience in hosting single sport multiple city events is what we needed as some foundation for any bid and we did that successfully even as early as 1995. Looking at an even smaller scale we hosted afcon 96.

These events dont imply 2010 readiness but then again which events could? Which other events should we have prepared a bid for? Euro? U-21 or U-17 world cups? womens world cup? NFL?

We must accept that we have a million more issues than Germany and that our transport systems will never compare BUT that doesnt mean our host cities and transport planners are incapable of producing operational plans for each host city to ensure enough busses and trains and VIP lanes etc. etc. How cities use the new busses and improved infrastructure is up to them.

FIFA had a plan B for Germany too BUT with Germany's reputation it was allowed to finish 1 stadium on the opening day of the confederations cup. South Africa cannot afford something like that so we'll get them done 6 months before the confed cup.
 
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alanf85 said:
There's a responsibility when hosting an event like this and you can't just say 'see how it goes' IMO.

I'm of the opinion that you sort your store out first then reap the rewards rather than receive something in the hope of it stimulating an improvement.
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There is a major responsibility.
The world cup is stimulating unprecedented levels of investment in transport or ICT or just local football venues. I've said this a million times, these would not have happened without the world cup. In many cases plans in the pipeline some dating back 1970 have finally received funding.
 
HavocXphere said:
Huh? They admitted to having some vague plan B last year already. To lazy to search now...but it was debated here ad nauseam.
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Plan B is drawn up a few years after we were awarded the bid and rightfully so. Athens had one, Sydney had one, Germany etc etc.

Of course with the MAJOR issues in our country its not surprising for FIFA to be a bit more urgent about drawing up a plan B.

Beijing will have all its venues complete for the 2008 games, excellent transport..but local issues or conditions are just as important. The IOC dont want riots, FIFA dont want xenophobic attacks just before or during the world cup, athletes want to see 10m ahead when running a race through the polluted air of beijing.
 
Skinner said:
No, was a rumour amongst FIFA officials, that the media got hold of, but then Blatter officially denounced it as crap.

Now, he has a different story and admits that there IS a Plan B. :rolleyes:

I mean... come on... just switch your TV on now and watch the final of the Euro 2008 right now... and ask yourself honestly if SA is capable of such a high class type of event... answer = NO, NO, NO. FAIL.
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why? because you say so? maybe our smaller cities will struggle to cope but why cant our heavyweight cities pull it off?

and then there were those power failures in basel...where were their backup generators?
 
capetownguy said:
and then there were those power failures in basel...where were their backup generators?
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It wasn't power failure; TV transmission equipment got knocked out from lightning hits near the stadium. Within minutes it was re-routed via a hardline cable from Switzerland and re-transmitted via Switzerland, and transmission could resume in most affected countries. That type of technology to handle cases of Acts of God, not to mention first-world organisation like with traffic volumes and security, remains yet to be seen in South Africa. As I said before: this is NOT Mickey Mouse stuff. And one needs to be physically present at a WM or EM to believe this. Like me.

In South Africa, we don't even need lightning to knock out power grids or transmission systems - they knock themselves out (substations exploding due to poor maintenance), or whole suburbs get load shedded due to over-demand, or the cables are stolen. :rolleyes:

Now tell me again, what happened in Basel is not excusable compared to SA?
 
SDG (Steer Davies Gleave) appointed for pedestrian modelling work around Johannesburg World Cup stadium

The Johannesburg Development Agency (JDA)*, on behalf of the City of Johannesburg, and in conjunction with architectural firm Boogertman Urban Edge & Partners, has appointed Steer Davies Gleave to undertake pedestrian and crowd-flow modelling in the Nasrec Precinct; the area surrounding the Soccer City Stadium, in preparation for the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

Steer Davies Gleave is currently involved in crowd-flow modelling and identifying spectator safety implications of the designs proposed for the 94,000 capacity Soccer City stadium, a major JDA led redevelopment project and the flagship stadium for the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

Plans for the precinct include the development of public transport facilities to meet demand during the World Cup and to promote regeneration of the wider area.

Steer Davies Gleave`s work includes pedestrian modelling and crowd-flow assessment techniques, working alongside the authorities charged with providing the necessary transport facilities, as well as the design team and the JDA, to provide advice on design matters.

Steer Davies Gleave hopes to continue its involvement with the Nasrec project as the designs progress into construction.

Head of Development Planning, Roy McGowan said: 'We are delighted to be involved in such a high profile and significant project. Our input will help to provide a world class pedestrian realm and transport facility.

'SDG`s continued work in Johannesburg reflects our ongoing commitment to working in South Africa during its continued period of growth.'

* The JDA supports economic development initiatives throughout the metropolitan area of Johannesburg and aims to promote economic growth and regenerate decaying areas.

Projects by SDG includes:
- Olympic Transport plans
- Olympic Transport Strategy
- Channel Tunnel Business Review
- Emirates Stadium Transport Communication Strategy
- Manchester Metrolink
- Wembley - New National Stadium
- Wembley National Stadium Transport Report
 
2010 Security Plan handed to FIFA


Thursday, 03 July 2008

Deputy National Police Commissioner Andre Pruis has assured South Africans that the 2010 FIFA World Cup will be a success from a security perspective.

"We are going to be ready for 2010. It's going to happen and it's going to be a success," he said.

Pruis, who will head up 2010 security, presented features of the national police service's 2010 security plan at a crime statistics seminar in Pretoria on Wednesday.

The security plan, which has been handed over to FIFA for final approval, includes the deployment of 41 092 police officers for the duration of the cup, over and above those already deployed for normal policing.

R665 million will be spent on the procurement of equipment such as water cannons, body armour, highway patrol vehicles and mobile police stations for the stadia.

The surveillance aspect of the security plan will see high risk areas being monitored on various tiers, via satellite, aircraft and land surveillance cameras.

Addressing skepticism around the ability of South Africa to host an incident-free World Cup, Pruis said, "What is this 2010 World Cup going to be, that the 1995 Rugby World Cup wasn't? [South Africa] has successfully hosted 17 major events with no major incidents."

"The security plan is ready. So…. lets play!" he added.

Senior Superintendant Vish Naidoo says that the procurement of resources in the build up to 2010 will assist in improving the capacity of the South African Police Service in the long term.

"The investment in staff and equipment for the World Cup is being done with foresight in terms of capacity building. The World Cup is an excellent platform for us to procure what we need for addressing crime and complimenting our initiatives well beyond 2010," he said.

Notes:

1. Andre Pruis has been central to the success of many sporting events. He has worked on events including Rugby World Cup 1995, the All African Games of 1999 and the 2003 and 2007 ICC Cricket World Cup as well as a series of major non-sports events.

2. Under Andre Pruis, the security blueprint employed at the World Summit on Sustainable Development in 2001 is being employed at all United Nations events
 
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Skinner said:
Then why did FIFA earlier denied they had a Plan B, and now they admit they do?
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Cause they a bunch of corrupt fools who don't' know their a55holes from their elbows.... What you expect from Europeans? Indecisive bunch of idiots...
 
Theres a difference between the corruption in FIFA and Sepp Blatter that can't control his mouth. there are numerous examples of uncle sepp not exactly saying the smartest things.
 
South Africa are favorites to win the 2010 World Cup.

They have an outstanding record of beating foreigners on home soil.

:o
 
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