First election results in

That implies that the DA managed to frame these elections around those issues. While they managed to partially do so, for most people these elections were clearly not about those issues

To be fair, the DA play US politics in African context, instead of African politics in African context. People knew that Zuma was corrupt as soon as Thabo Mbeki fired him, so you gain nothing by going on and on about Nkandla and how corrupt ANC is. These are not the issues. It's a pity that Cope died because they were really taking ANC on.
 
That implies that the DA managed to frame these elections around those issues. While they managed to partially do so, for most people these elections were clearly not about those issues

If these are not a issue for people (who vote ANC).. then they support it (imho)
 
To be fair, the DA play US politics in African context, instead of African politics in African context. People knew that Zuma was corrupt as soon as Thabo Mbeki fired him, so you gain nothing by going on and on about Nkandla and how corrupt ANC is. These are not the issues. It's a pity that Cope died because they were really taking ANC on.

Yep. Their scare mongering was also not a good idea, although I can understand why they did it
 
If these are not a issue for people (who vote ANC).. then they support it (imho)

No, it doesn't mean that they support corruption, it means that SA politics is more complicated than we are making it out to be.
 
Mamphela Ramphele confronts an IEC officer carrying ballot papers, all marked in favour of the ANC.
The caption with the photo read: "Citizen @MamphelaR busted an official with ballot papers in her hands. #IECMustAnswer."
Ballot boxes were not sealed at a station in Gauteng and an IEC official was found MARKING ballots in favour of the African National Congress.

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Bet this happened many many more times than just this once.
 
If they wanted to change the constitution, they could have done so many times by now.
What is up with the fear mongering?

They didn't have 2/3rds? And they didn't publicly state previously that they where going to like they have now.
 
If they wanted to change the constitution, they could have done so many times by now.
What is up with the fear mongering?

They are the ones who wrote the Constitution to begin with, so the fear mongering logic doesn't follow. No wonder we have a weak opposition even though it has the biggest media resources.
 
If they wanted to change the constitution, they could have done so many times by now.
What is up with the fear mongering?

Zoom said it this time around in public, he is looking forward to changing things
 
They are the ones who wrote the Constitution to begin with, so the fear mongering logic doesn't follow. No wonder we have a weak opposition even though it has the biggest media resources.

Ummm no they didn't.
They HELPED write the constitution.

Also, I doubt they will get the 2/3rds majority anyway. Everyone was saying they would last time and they didn't.

Also, the EFF may side with them on something, but extending president for life to Zuma? That I doubt.
 
Only if they get more than 2/3rds majority. That is 66.6%...

Say what you about them the one they will not do is change the constitution to make him president for life. What they might, which is a big might, is make changes that protect him from prosecution once he leaves office. Even that is not likely because he's stacked the deck with his own people including possibly making sure that the next president is Zweli Mkhize who is his loyalist.

If they tried to extend his terms then the ANC would split because there are other people in the party who want a turn at the presidency. He'll probably step down of his own volition in the safe knowledge than loyalist will continue in his stead. The only problem for me is that the fight against corruption will die off completely given that their voters see nothing wrong. As Zuma puts it, only "clever blacks" worry about Nkandla, ordinary party members don't care. A lot of people actually think he deserves a nice palace as president.
 
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