Idiots on bikes

Anyway what gets my blood boiling are these IDIOTS who fly past in the emergency lane on the right hand side. You think you are so clever but have you ever thought of this:

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I nearly had an incident yesterday on the N1 North just before the the old JHB/PTA turnoff.
A biker was using the cordoned off lane on the right hand side of the freeway (right of the fast lane).
I wanted to move from the middle lane to the fast lane and there was a road works vehicle blocking the lane the biker was in so he just swerved left, between the chevrons into the fast lane.
I could easily have taken the idiot out if I had not been alert.

I am losing all respect for bikers.
On the whole they are becoming as bad as taxi drivers:
- Skipping red traffic lights and stop streets
- Using emergency or cordoned off lanes
- Over taking on on ramps forcing other motorists to drive in the emergency lane
 
My view on this is:

Be curtious to riders who split in the proper lane, and those who abuse their bikes, DO NOT give them an inch, in fact blow your horn when they come past to make them ***** their pants a bit. I am a biker like i said but most bikers p!ss me off!
 
My view on this is:

Be curtious to riders who split in the proper lane, and those who abuse their bikes, DO NOT give them an inch, in fact blow your horn when they come past to make them ***** their pants a bit. I am a biker like i said but most bikers p!ss me off!
Tried that. I had a c*nt in the emergency stop and wave his hands about as if it was my fault.
 
Think Bike my ass.

THINK CAR!

I concur. Most bikers are like most sharks fans, massive chip on their shoulders, when you just breathe remotely bad about something with 2 wheels they want to literally lynch you.

Actually just name the campaign THINK
 
I have a lot of respect for people who commute on motorcycles and wish more people would in order to alleviate congestion. Government could go a hell of a lot further to encourage people to make use of motorcycles, for starters, by making it safer.

That said, I agree 100% with the OP. Driving like a cowboy doesn't do anyone any good. You're on a bike. You're beating the average commuter. Isn't that good enough?
 
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We almost hit a bike on Joburg freeway when we were about to change lanes in heavy traffic while indicating a bike appears from nowhere and almost got hit by us since we were moving into the other lane :P. They obviously don't check the cars signals.
 
The other issue is not everyone should be on a bike. It takes a certain temperament and level of patience. You see bikers taking insane chances by swerving and riding the emergency lane, simply because they dont know any better. I had an accident the other day with a drunk driver hitting me head on and i dont even recall ever touching the brakes as it happened so quickly, i was going about 50kph. Now imagine what sort of reaction time you have on the highway when you are doing 100kph+
 
seems like if you mount on two wheels you become a idiot (bikers and cyclists)........
 
all bikers are idiots.... at least all those who I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. :(

What gets me is this very visible "Think Bike" campaign.
I don't see the sense behind it.
Surely the bikes should be riding in a manner that makes them visible, safe and accepted as normal road users.
And yet by far the large majority (almost 100%) of all Bike Riders who go past me are ...

1) exceeding the speed limit.
2) pushing between cars moving at high when it is clearly unsafe to do so.
3) moving too close to vehicles, both behind and alongside.
4) rude, impatient and arrogant

Agreed!

Bikers should rather have a "think car" campaign.
 
What annoys me is when a biker cannot make up his mind about what he is.

I am referring to a biker that is driving slowly, for whatever reason, in the middle of the lane. Just like a car is supposed to. Now, I cannot pass this biker, so I have to slow down and drive behind him, at whatever low speed he is happy with.

Later, when we hit traffic congestion, he decides that now is a good time to drive between lanes, as he can move faster than the cars. Great.

Also, is lane splitting legal? I thought bikes had to stay inside the lanes, just like cars?
 
bikers!

you're right. they're awful. what really get's my goat, though, is all those bikers...

checking their email,
using their blackberries and smartphones,
trying to get a laptop running,
eating hamburgers/chelsea buns/KFC
trying to open coffee cups,
reading the newspaper,
programming their radios,
taking calls on their cell-phones,
checking map books,
having sex,
getting fellated,
talking to the person on the seat behind them,
talking to the peson on the seat next to them,
parenting their children,
putting their make up on,
brushing their hair in their mirrors,
lighting up a spliff,
watching their gps navigation screens,
drifting idly across lanes without paying attention,
changing lanes without indicating in heavy traffic,
trying to push into traffic that has no space for them,
getting stranded in intersections when the light changes,
making sudden, unexpected stops,
making sudden, unexpected u-turns,
stopping in traffic to offload kids,
stopping in traffic to collect kids,
stopping in peak-hour traffic to collect people from work,
reversing back in traffic to make the turn they missed,
not using mirrors to stay in touch with traffic around them,
turning across the path of oncoming traffic, and
aggressively using their vehicles to threaten other road users...


...if only those bastards were focussed on what they were doing, hey? wouldn't life be much better if bikers stopped being distracted on the roads. they have so much opportunity for distraction that it's really, really dangerous for a biker on a modern bike.

after all, they're such a huge majority of road users that any change in their behavior would OBVIOUSLY have an enormous effect on road fatalities, and - even more so - on the general accident rate, as well as reducing the general difficulty of road use everywhere.

imagine if we could get them to stop driving as though they were sitting in their lounge watching television, and got them to pay more attention to other road users.

maybe we should start a campaign.....

d
 
What annoys me is when a biker cannot make up his mind about what he is.

I am referring to a biker that is driving slowly, for whatever reason, in the middle of the lane. Just like a car is supposed to. Now, I cannot pass this biker, so I have to slow down and drive behind him, at whatever low speed he is happy with.

Later, when we hit traffic congestion, he decides that now is a good time to drive between lanes, as he can move faster than the cars. Great.

Also, is lane splitting legal? I thought bikes had to stay inside the lanes, just like cars?

I've seen a lot of the scooter riders on the highways. They can't really go fast, so they ride in the normal lane. When the congestion starts, they simply carry on at the same pace. I don't see anything wrong with this. I do, however, see something wrong if they're in the right or middle lane doing this. If you're slow, keep left. Personally, I feel unsafe riding like that. I make sure I'm always a little faster (15-20km/h) than the cars around me.

And yes, lane-splitting is legal in South Africa.
 


Everyone has to put up with bad drivers, not just bikers, so seeking sympathy is not going to do you any good. It doesn't change the fact that a large number of bikers are indeed knobs.
 
all bikers are idiots.... at least all those who I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. :(

What gets me is this very visible "Think Bike" campaign.
I don't see the sense behind it.
Surely the bikes should be riding in a manner that makes them visible, safe and accepted as normal road users.
And yet by far the large majority (almost 100%) of all Bike Riders who go past me are ...

1) exceeding the speed limit.
2) pushing between cars moving at high when it is clearly unsafe to do so.
3) moving too close to vehicles, both behind and alongside.
4) rude, impatient and arrogant

Absolutely agreed. I want to respect bikers, especially as I have lost 2 close friends (brothers who died within 16 months of each other in freak accidents) recently.

However, the recklessness of the many who come flying past me like bats out of hell (while I am doing speed limit) gives all a bad reputation. Bikers should be visible, yet many are either too quick or wear dark clothing to be easily spotted. Their speed leaves me little time to provide the courtesy I wan to give.

Driving in the face of oncoming traffic to get to the front... many I have almost wiped out!

Bikers want respect but the vast majority I have seen take to the roads illegally - without number plates or plates which have been deliberately defaced so as to avoid successful prosecution.
 
I've seen a lot of the scooter riders on the highways. They can't really go fast, so they ride in the normal lane. When the congestion starts, they simply carry on at the same pace. I don't see anything wrong with this. I do, however, see something wrong if they're in the right or middle lane doing this. If you're slow, keep left. Personally, I feel unsafe riding like that. I make sure I'm always a little faster (15-20km/h) than the cars around me.

And yes, lane-splitting is legal in South Africa.


AFAIK scooters are not allowed on highways - Any motor bike below 125cc isn't allowed on the freeway.
 
What annoys me is when a biker cannot make up his mind about what he is.

most motorcyclists have a pretty good idea what they are. they're road users. i don't know if you've ever spent any serious time on a motorcycle, but it's pretty hard to be oblivious to road use when you're on one.

I am referring to a biker that is driving slowly, for whatever reason, in the middle of the lane.

he's driving in the middle of the lane, because he's using the road. that's what it's for. he's probably going somewhere.


Now, I cannot pass this biker, so I have to slow down and drive behind him, at whatever low speed he is happy with.

yes. obviously. because he's in the lane in front of you. what was your alternative plan? ramp him?

Later, when we hit traffic congestion, he decides that now is a good time to drive between lanes, as he can move faster than the cars. Great.

great indeed.

Also, is lane splitting legal? I thought bikes had to stay inside the lanes, just like cars?

it's a grey area, to some degree, in South Africa law for two reasons. firstly, lane splitting is legal in given circumstances - they call it 'filtering', and you can filter when approaching a closed intersection, at which traffic is standing still or has slowed significantly. the details are in the relevant law and you can go look them up. the grey area with respect to that comes in around the idea of traffic slowing down significantly. that has to be judged, before its legality can be determined and so in practice it is presumed to acceptable. (this is known as effective decriminalization).

the second grey area is around lane splitting and overtaking - there was a case made, successfully, that motorcyclists are often overtaking vehicles in motion. successive overtaking maneuvers are still overtaking which is legal, and not lane splitting. actual lane splitting is judged to have occurred when the motorcyclist rides the line between lanes, in fast-moving traffic. this is illegal, though hard to prove, because of the overtaking issue. again, it's effectively decriminalized.

speeding is always illegal, irrespective of the mode of transport, but if that's your gripe, your problem is a great deal more far-reaching than motorcyclists, who represent a tiny fraction of the road user population.

so, given all that, the motorcyclist you're complaining about (above) is actually riding both completely legally and safely (assuming that they only filter when traffic slows, as you have described.) . and you're complaining about that.

it seems to me that you just don't like it, probably because you think that you should be able to use that lane space yourself. the idea that a motorcyclist is entitled to occupy a lane, like any other road user, is not one that seems commonly understood in South Africa. i regularly see drivers trying to force their way into the same lane as a motorcyclist.


Mike Hoxbig said:
Everyone has to put up with bad drivers, not just bikers, so seeking sympathy is not going to do you any good. It doesn't change the fact that a large number of bikers are indeed knobs.

fella...my point was that those things cannot actually be performed by a motorcyclist. for reasons of, well, for reason of reality. the follow-on point, to bring it out quite clearly, was that those things are far more dangerous, representing a complete cognitive break with the act of driving, and in the vast majority of road events. so the whining about motorcyclists is pretty selective in relation to where the traffic problems are being caused.

and no, i don't want your sympathy. i'd like you and your fellow road users to stop maiming my friends and i, because you're irritated with traffic, or because your new iPad didn't magically make you cool, or because you got trapped in a loveless marriage when you unexpectedly impregnated a colleague and have lived a life of surly resentment ever since.

no matter how miserable and under appreciated you feel, that can never carry more weight than the risk of taking someone else's life, or the risk of paralyzing them.

to understand this, you need to appreciate that what's a fender bender for you, is a wheelchair for me. that's a disproportionate risk differential, and one that you, who carries the lower risk must operate under. the fact you're comfortable calling strangers "c*nts* purely based on their transport indicates to me that you're not. but, hell. YMMV. you might be right. and approaching life the way you have on this thread might well be the correct way to do it.

you try your approach an i'll try mine. and in the meantime, when i come across you and your like, i'll be speeding up dramatically to get away from your bad temper, rage and inability to parse normal road situations, and the risk that represents to me.

hope it helps.

d
 
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