Is this the iPhone 6 killer?

Maverick Jester said:
A used phone can never be in brand new condition :p
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Yes, the correct wording would be brand new cosmetic condition. I would think that this is all self explanatory. :p

It's not a guarantee, though, so no, not a fact. More a likelihood.
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It definitely is a guarantee, likelihood doesn't even come into it.

Just like Apple PCs, iPads, and other Apple products.
 
Maverick Jester said:
A used phone can never be in brand new condition :p

Slightly off topic- but when I initially put my iPhone 5 up for sale, despite owning it for all of 4 hours and only using it to put it on and verify that it wasn't an OBF, I got a snotty statement from a few "perspective buyers" that the phone is used because the box has been opened.



It's not a guarantee, though, so no, not a fact. More a likelihood.
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It tallies quite well with my own experience of 2ndhand sales. Although I'd never pay R5000 today for a 16gb 5s.
 
Maverick Jester said:
Still, anecdotal. Not a guarantee.
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Perhaps for someone who mistreats their gadgets, or does not have much time to wait for a better offer. Then yes, the guarantee-likelihood scale would slide slightly from where it usually sits on the guarantee side, to the likelihood side. Play your cards right, and you're in for very little depreciation, so much that it even baffles some people.
 
But you can't work out depreciation on your personal device?

What if you won it or your dad said R1,000? You can't then say IPhones make a profit on sale
 
imranpanji said:
So what would the depreciation be based on a price of R4000? And are we using RRP, PP buying price or PP selling price as the indicator?
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Seeing as I'm not accounting for RRP, only the original/previous owner would know what their depreciation/loss was. Those who bought on contract can refer to classifieds for new/used pricing, and work it out for themselves, as this is where most people buy phones upfront.

The point of buying upfront is to save in the long run vs a contract. It would make no sense buying RRP as one is then at full contract price, upfront.
 
Dolby said:
But you can't work out depreciation on your personal device?

What if you won it or your dad said R1,000? You can't then say IPhones make a profit on sale
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Please see my previous comment, one can refer to classifieds for an idea of pricing. It would be quite pointless asking a 'RRP price-based, plus depreciation' asking price, when the market uses classifieds pricing as the basis of value. I am quite sure that the seller would know this. What would the point be buying the same thing at a higher price? It is like a private seller asking a dealer price for a vehicle.

RRP doesn't come into this, it is about cost saving, being savvy, and the perceived value of goods.
 
In that case, I made a killing on my Sansung!
 
Dolby said:
In that case, I made a killing on my Sansung!
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I'm sure you did, and if it went towards your car or TV, I hope you're still enjoying it. ;)

I'm just sorry you never won/acquired an iPhone, the above goods would have then come sooner. :p
 
imranpanji said:
So what would the depreciation be based on a price of R4000? And are we using RRP, PP buying price or PP selling price as the indicator?
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There's obviously no true depreciation estimates on secondhand sales. Talking about RRPs vs all possibilities is totally missing the point. If I can find an iPhone6 for R1000, that's a bargain and it doesn't reflect on the normal selling prices on the secondhand markets. Bargains happen; I nearly got a R3k 5s the other day like I said above.

But some people are still apparently willing to pay R5000 for a good condition 5s, which PP just proved. So he personally manages to leverage that to upgrade every year to the latest iPhone model for R1-2000 by working with the market, which makes it very affordable for him.

But obviously he wouldn't be able to get away with this if everybody had the same idea. It's a form of arbitrage that takes advantage of price disparaties - one person sells low and another buys high, and he gets a new phone for cheap every year. I've done the same thing hundreds of times with my own gear with various brands. I agree that Apple products hold their pricing more than others, but that can also be a pain because finding good deals on them takes a lot more work.
 
cerebus said:
But some people are still apparently willing to pay R5000 for a good condition 5s, which PP just proved. So he personally manages to leverage that to upgrade every year to the latest iPhone model for R1-2000 by working with the market, which makes it very affordable for him.
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Not to detract from the explanation you're helping to make, I actually upgraded to a 5s 64GB which I got from the States for around R7,000. Cannot get them in SA anymore, especially in silver. I expect to sell this at ±R5,500 once the 6s Mini (goodness willing) is released later this year. iPhone 6 offers very little to me over the 5s, too big for permanent one handed use anyway.
 
PostmanPot said:
iPhone 6 offers very little to me over the 5s, too big for permanent one handed use anyway.
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Not true, PP ... the battery is a little better which is worth the upgrade. It goes from a low 'poor' to a little bit better 'poor'

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Dolby said:
Not true, PP ... the battery is a little better which is worth the upgrade. It goes from a low 'poor' to a little bit better 'poor'
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Battery life is one of the many improvements, none of which are worth it to me though. Give me the improvements in 4" and I'm there (6s Mini, hopefully). Battery life doesn't bother me.

I have no concern for battery benchmarks either. Especially your benchmarks which I can see are inaccurate at least in two instances. I know what my iPhone is capable of. YMMV and I'm more than happy with one charge every 1 - 2 days.

I must also be fortunate enough to be close to sources of power most of the day, be it a wall socket, desktop PC, rMBP, car charger, etc. I understand that you and others are not as fortunate. Perhaps work is based out in the bundu. Understood.

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