LCD and Plasma Bargains and Discussions thread

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This one?
http://www.makro.co.za/p/26940/samsung-40-102cm-full-hd-led-tv/

So what is CMR now?
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That's a typical example of the marketing abuse. That is a 50Hz panel with 100 CMR. But now they advertise it as 100Hz. Flips me off, because people get suckered.

A true 100Hz panel would pwn it.

CMR is Samsung's new way of measuring a TV's ability at reducing motion blur by using a combination of panel refresh rate (Hz) + backlight strobing and other new techs. In the ad and most others they imply a higher panel refresh rate by applying their new CMR calculation as if it's the panel refresh rate (Hz).
 
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That's a typical example of the marketing abuse. That is a 50Hz panel with 100 CMR. But now they advertise it as 100Hz. Flips me off, because people get suckered.

A true 100Hz panel would pwn it.

CMR is Samsung's new way of measuring a TV's ability at reducing motion blur by using a combination of panel refresh rate (Hz) + backlight strobing and other new techs. In the ad and most others they imply a higher panel refresh rate by applying their new CMR calculation as if it's the panel refresh rate (Hz).
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Sneaky. So the one I just got with 100Hz and 400 CMR is pretty decent?

I don't know if you saw my post earlier Pot, any comment on this tv we got yesterday? UA40ES6200.

The annoying thing is she got stung for R1700 in back pay for the tv license, so she left the HD PVR to compensate. Now she's all set up at home, she wants to go back and get the HD PVR :D
 
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That's a typical example of the marketing abuse. That is a 50Hz panel with 100 CMR. But now they advertise it as 100Hz. Flips me off, because people get suckered.

A true 100Hz panel would pwn it.

CMR is Samsung's new way of measuring a TV's ability at reducing motion blur by using a combination of panel refresh rate (Hz) + backlight strobing and other new techs. In the ad and most others they imply a higher panel refresh rate by applying their new CMR calculation as if it's the panel refresh rate (Hz).
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B@stards!!

I see none of the Samsungs and Sonys have the hz at the end, they all 100, 200 or 400.
So how do I differentiate between a 50hz with 100 CMR and a 100hz TV?
 
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That's a typical example of the marketing abuse. That is a 50Hz panel with 100 CMR. But now they advertise it as 100Hz. Flips me off, because people get suckered.
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Why? The EH5000 LED is the direct price replacement for the D550 LCD. Hypothetically even if the CMR 100 did nothing, you would still would be getting the 2012 model for the same price point as the 2011 one (when launched), which was 50Hz anyway. So where's the suckering?

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A true 100Hz panel would pwn it.
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Not apples with apples, a 2012 model with a 100Hz DSP (200Hz+ CMR) would not be at this price point.
 
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Why? The EH5000 LED is the direct price replacement for the D550 LCD. Hypothetically even if the CMR 100 did nothing, you would still would be getting the 2012 model for the same price point as the 2011 one (when launched), which was 50Hz anyway. So where's the suckering?

Not apples with apples, a 2012 model with a 100Hz DSP (200Hz+ CMR) would not be at this price point.
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So do you suggest we all research the history of televisions before buying?
 
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So do you suggest we all research the history of televisions before buying?
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No, just saying there's no price difference between Samsung's entry level 1080p 2011 & 2012 models (at same timeframe within respective years).

So doesn't matter whether 2012 one's CMR 100 rating has benefit or not, you're not paying a premium for it.
 
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Why? The EH5000 LED is the direct price replacement for the D550 LCD. Hypothetically even if the CMR 100 did nothing, you would still would be getting the 2012 model for the same price point as the 2011 one (when launched), which was 50Hz anyway. So where's the suckering?

Not apples with apples, a 2012 model with a 100Hz DSP (200Hz+ CMR) would not be at this price point.
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Because we are talking about buyers in the dark. Because they would think it has the same performance/frame rate as the LG 100Hz down the aisle. Etc etc.

Will a LG 100Hz have a better frame rate than a Samsung 100 CMR (often sneakily advertised as 100Hz)?
 
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Sneaky. So the one I just got with 100Hz and 400 CMR is pretty decent?

I don't know if you saw my post earlier Pot, any comment on this tv we got yesterday? UA40ES6200.

The annoying thing is she got stung for R1700 in back pay for the tv license, so she left the HD PVR to compensate. Now she's all set up at home, she wants to go back and get the HD PVR :D
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6 Series have always been good. :) Just check for lighting uniformity, it was a problem with the D range (and most edge lit LED-LCDs) but has hopefully been made better with the E range. Can't comment for certain on that TV as I've never seen it but I'm sure you'll be happy. I'm also sure your wife and kid succumbed to some marketing gimmick and bright showroom comparisons. No problem if you have the bucks to spend, you also mentioned a viewing distance of about 2m so the other contenders, 51" HD/FHD plasmas, could have been a bit big...
 
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Typo on Makro's side, should have included 'CMR' after the 100Hz.
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No, there should be no Hz at all since it Hz and CMR are separate measurements and therefore should be listed as such. Exactly like the first lot of new CMR LED-LCDs were advertised: Hz and CMR were listed.
 
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[The 2012 LG down the aisle will have the same type of rating ...

http://www.lg.com/za/tv-audio-video/television/LG-led-lcd-tv-42LS4600.jsp (check FEATURE tab)

No probably same, I would expect Samsung's CMR and LG's MCI to be very similar.
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I'm not surprised another company is now using inflated numbers to compete.

I obviously wasn't meaning a 100 MCI (notice no mentiopn of Hz) LG down the aisle, I was referring to an actual 100Hz panel, similar to the one BlackWasp got IIRC.

http://www.lg.com/za/tv-audio-video/television/LG-lcd-tv-42LK530.jsp
 
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No, there should be no Hz at all since it Hz and CMR are separate measurements and therefore should be listed as such.
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Samsungs offical logo for the EH5000's CMR rating ...

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Dont like it, go argue with them.
 
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6 Series have always been good. :) Just check for lighting uniformity, it was a problem with the D range (and most edge lit LED-LCDs) but has hopefully been made better with the E range. Can't comment for certain on that TV as I've never seen it but I'm sure you'll be happy. I'm also sure your wife and kid succumbed to some marketing gimmick and bright showroom comparisons. No problem if you have the bucks to spend, you also mentioned a viewing distance of about 2m so the other contenders, 51" HD/FHD plasmas, could have been a bit big...
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Apparently the 43" E450 was sold out so they just nosed about to see what else was there. My son is 18, he knew exactly what he was doing :D

But thanks for the tips. I'd told him about torch mode and the other pointers you've given on these threads, so they went to the room in Tafelberg Furnishers to look and this one jumped out at them. A tad more than I wanted to spend but I'm happy with the SMART tv integration and am looking forward to messing around with my Galaxy Note as a controller.
 
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Samsungs offical logo for the EH5000's CMR rating ...

UA40EH5000RXXA-7803-1.jpg

Dont like it, go argue with them.
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That is very misleading. And no doubt deliberately so.

Who knows other than tv fundi's what CMR is? I'd have looked at that and thought it's got 100 or 120Hz settings and it gives you a nice clear picture.
 
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Don't forget plasmas were listed as 600hz, with hardly any mention of subfield motion, so they also had an incorrect label on a 50/60hz TV.
 
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Don't forget plasmas were listed as 600hz, with hardly any mention of subfield motion, so they also had an incorrect label on a 50/60hz TV.
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Still are. Also marketing abuse although to less of an extent since there are 10 fields refreshing at 60Hz.

And it's simply in response to LCDs being advertised as 120Hz, 240Hz, 480Hz, etc. If your average Joe sees 120Hz on an LCD and nothing like that on a plasma, even though plasma handles motion far better and has lower response time and is generally a better tech, they are going to think the LCD is better.

So both are evil, one is truer and in response to the other though. ;)
 
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