LCD and Plasma Bargains and Discussions thread

This makes me very sad, would you recommend the PA60H5000? or wait for OLED to settle in price?
I still have a UA50HU7000 that i moved to the bedroom, that i can use if all else fails.
Difficult to view that plasma in a store since no one carries them anymore :(

Have never seen one myself, so cannot really comment - but have read numerous buyers reports and they've been happy. Personally I've owned the 64F8500 and the 64E8000 Samsung plasmas, and despite the buzzing which irritated me, they were very good screens. Prior to those two I'd owned 3 different Panasonic plasmas (even in the early days when they were crazy expensive) and they were excellent, my old 50" Panny is still in my bedroom and works perfectly
 
Have never seen one myself, so cannot really comment - but have read numerous buyers reports and they've been happy. Personally I've owned the 64F8500 and the 64E8000 Samsung plasmas, and despite the buzzing which irritated me, they were very good screens. Prior to those two I'd owned 3 different Panasonic plasmas (even in the early days when they were crazy expensive) and they were excellent, my old 50" Panny is still in my bedroom and works perfectly

You have 50 inches in the bedroom? Now you're just bragging!
 
You have 50 inches in the bedroom? Now you're just bragging!

Speaking of bedroom.. I'm in the market for a 2nd TV in the 55" & up range but am really confused what to buy.

My trusty ol'e Samsung 43" plasma will probably go to the bedroom (less glare) making way for a bigger tv in the lounge. I'm tempted by the Samsung 60H5000 plasma @ ~R9.5k just because of the joyful experience the 43" gave me, but I'm thinking it might be wiser to spend more on a modern tv with more 'future value'.

For example I like the Sammy 55H6400 at ~R14k but I haven't kept up with tv specs & there seems to be a lot of decent LG's in the same price range, even some UHD ones (if that's even a consideration at this stage). I'm not really a tv freak, don't have DSTV but stream Netflix & was wondering if WebOS would be a waste since my media centre is a microserver running Kodi.

Anyone with suggestions I should consider?
 
Speaking of bedroom.. I'm in the market for a 2nd TV in the 55" & up range but am really confused what to buy.

My trusty ol'e Samsung 43" plasma will probably go to the bedroom (less glare) making way for a bigger tv in the lounge. I'm tempted by the Samsung 60H5000 plasma @ ~R9.5k just because of the joyful experience the 43" gave me, but I'm thinking it might be wiser to spend more on a modern tv with more 'future value'.

For example I like the Sammy 55H6400 at ~R14k but I haven't kept up with tv specs & there seems to be a lot of decent LG's in the same price range, even some UHD ones (if that's even a consideration at this stage). I'm not really a tv freak, don't have DSTV but stream Netflix & was wondering if WebOS would be a waste since my media centre is a microserver running Kodi.

Anyone with suggestions I should consider?

If you want plasma quality, get plasma. While you still can.
 
Good luck, don't think you will find anything. I got the Samsung 65HU8700 and as good as this high end model is, I definitely prefer plasma.

How much do you want for it?

There's no need to get a high end plasma ; any plasma will do the job better then any LCD from what one been reading.

If I manage to find a replacement, keen on a swap?

EDIT : I've just found a 60 H5000 plasma. How about a direct swap? You lose 5" but you gain the quality at least. Quality over quantity FTW.

Let me know, as I'm really keen
 
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Speaking of bedroom.. I'm in the market for a 2nd TV in the 55" & up range but am really confused what to buy.

My trusty ol'e Samsung 43" plasma will probably go to the bedroom (less glare) making way for a bigger tv in the lounge. I'm tempted by the Samsung 60H5000 plasma @ ~R9.5k just because of the joyful experience the 43" gave me, but I'm thinking it might be wiser to spend more on a modern tv with more 'future value'.

For example I like the Sammy 55H6400 at ~R14k but I haven't kept up with tv specs & there seems to be a lot of decent LG's in the same price range, even some UHD ones (if that's even a consideration at this stage). I'm not really a tv freak, don't have DSTV but stream Netflix & was wondering if WebOS would be a waste since my media centre is a microserver running Kodi.

Anyone with suggestions I should consider?

Takealot have a special on the Sammy 55" UHD today. R15k
 
How much do you want for it?

There's no need to get a high end plasma ; any plasma will do the job better then any LCD from what one been reading.

If I manage to find a replacement, keen on a swap?

EDIT : I've just found a 60 H5000 plasma. How about a direct swap? You lose 5" but you gain the quality at least. Quality over quantity FTW.

Let me know, as I'm really keen


You are very funny.

This is easily the best LCD I've owned/seen (have not seen the new J series up close), but their are numerous occasions and situations in which the 64F8500 Plasma was indeed better - not to be confused with the H5000 series. These include wide viewing angles, from anything beyond 30 degrees the colours and blacks start getting washed out, this never happened with the older gen plasma, then there is the motion aspects - sometimes (much less so on this newer generation) a tennis ball or cricket ball will wobble/pixelate, that never happened with plasma...

UHD content on the other hand does make this TV shine, that is definitely a feature that is an improvement on the best plasma I've ever seen.
 

So you're not willing to?

PP made reference once to all the 8 Series LCD owners and how the any plasma simply eats it alive, but no one is actually willing to swap me. Very odd situation as I thought you and others may jump to get a plasma :/
 
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So you're not willing to?

PP made reference once to all the 8 Series LCD owners and how the any plasma simply eats it alive, but no one is actually willing to swap me. Very odd situation as I thought you and others may jump to get a plasma :/

Have never read that comment, and I think one is always inclined to exaggerate to make a point, so take it for what it was meant to be. Fact is, Rand for Rand, equivalent priced Plasma vs LCD, the plasma was always the better option. Now that production yield on LCDs have made them so cheap, it's back to the Beta vs VHS story.
 
So you're not willing to?

PP made reference once to all the 8 Series LCD owners and how the any plasma simply eats it alive, but no one is actually willing to swap me. Very odd situation as I thought you and others may jump to get a plasma :/

You were the last person I expected dishonesty from. :(

Suspect this is what threw you off, comparison between Series 5 plasma and Series 8 LCD:

The only things i really miss about my plasma is the motion handling and the deep blacks. I had a Samsung PS51E550 and i got a UA55HU8500 demo unit this weekend for R21k which is really nice but i'm unsure if i should keep it or wait for OLED's to come down in price.

Are there any decent plasmas still about? Or should we wait for the OLED train?

Would I take a larger Series 5 plasma over an 8 Series LCD? Well, I can walk into a room and tell whether a TV is plasma or not, so yes, I likely would.

The above forumite certainly misses his plasma, after getting 'the best' LCD which would have retailed around 4 times the price.

Why would they miss a different tech TV a fraction of the price? Hmmm.

You've also dodged my post.

I disagree. Firstly, there is no such thing as an LED TV. I believe you've seen higher end LCD reviews where peak black levels are measured, which are indeed impressive. Means nothing in real life though as it's a fraction of the screen being measured. Self-lit pixels will, logically, always have the best constant black levels throughout the panel.

Where people get muddled is they see a high end LCD with 0.02cd/m, and then other high end plasmas with 0.02 / 0.03cd/m. They think that the LCD is then as good / better than the plasma, without having the basic understanding of flat panel TVs, and more so just exactly what the testing of TVs involves.

To them, the cd/m rating is one that applies to the entire panel in any scenario of varying darkness/brightness/colours. Wrong.

An LCD displaying a white bit(s) will still be letting light through to display blacks. This is the disadvantage of LCD which uses a backlight(s) for all/most pixels.

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Black level is the most important factor in determining contrast ratio. The higher the static contrast ratio, the better the picture quality. Contrast ratio being the difference between the darkest black and brightest white. Brightness is a non-issue as there are virtually no modern/decent TVs that struggle with it.

Even then, contrast ratio can't paint the entire in real life experience. Self-illuminated pixels always win in real life.

Besides having a better contrast ratio, plasma also destroys LCD when it comes to lower input lag and better motion handling. Plasma pixels have sub 0.5ms response times.



Image retention is a non issue, and has nothing to do with picture quality. It is barely noticeable, and is gone within seconds.

If you want to use your TV without having to be somewhat conscious about IR and image burn in (which again is a non issue nowadays due to its prevalence and ability to easily avoid), and sacrifice that for overall picture quality and experience, then that is your prerogative.
 
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Funny that this thread came up this morning,

Last night I was standing in front of my 3 year old Plasma, lamenting the fact that I had bought it......

The white's show up blotchy, for some reason it looks worse on SKY News, and there has been a solid red line down the left hand side a year after I got it....

I have the exact same Plasma in the bedroom, same age and all, without the red line, but after seeing a few LED types in the Samsung store whilst down in the Cape last week, I will not be purchasing a Plasma again.....
 
Funny that this thread came up this morning,

Last night I was standing in front of my 3 year old Plasma, lamenting the fact that I had bought it......

The white's show up blotchy, for some reason it looks worse on SKY News, and there has been a solid red line down the left hand side a year after I got it....

I have the exact same Plasma in the bedroom, same age and all, without the red line, but after seeing a few LED types in the Samsung store whilst down in the Cape last week, I will not be purchasing a Plasma again.....

Can happen to all TVs, plasma and LCD. Rather lament the fact that you bought a lemon. Same can happen with a vehicle, any appliance or electronic goods, even non-electronic. We wouldn't then write off the technology because of our bad luck, now would we.

In the Samsung store, did you not stop to think:

1. My home lighting conditions, are they anything like this brightly lit store?
2. My home viewing conditions/distance, are they anything like this 'aisle viewing distance' from which I am judging these LCDs? Do all seating positions sit straight in front of the TV as I am judging this TV now?
3. My home sources/media/DSTV, are they anything like these demo videos designed to look good?

My guess is that you didn't. :)

And that's the mistake everyone makes, which is why they can never understand why when they get home, their LCD TVs look so **** compared to in the shop.
 
In the Samsung store, did you not stop to think:

1. My home lighting conditions, are they anything like this brightly lit store?
2. My home viewing conditions/distance, are they anything like this 'aisle viewing distance' from which I am judging these LCDs? Do all seating positions sit straight in front of the TV as I am judging this TV now?
3. My home sources/media/DSTV, are they anything like these demo videos designed to look good?

My guess is that you didn't. :)

And that's the mistake everyone makes, which is why they can never understand why when they get home, their LCD TVs look so **** compared to in the shop.

I hang me head in shame, being lectured by an expert, but yep! you are indeed right, you also forgot to mention the attractive sales girl in the skimpy outfit that stood next to yon telly...... Wonder if he would look the same in my lounge?

For what it's worth, the telly's I purchased, were Telefunken 42" Plasma's, got them from me supplier at cost back in the day! Only reason why I bought them.....

As for the red line, I am stuck with it, as living in a remote spot, just does'nt make it worthwhile sending back.......
 
Can happen to all TVs, plasma and LCD. Rather lament the fact that you bought a lemon. Same can happen with a vehicle, any appliance or electronic goods, even non-electronic. We wouldn't then write off the technology because of our bad luck, now would we.

In the Samsung store, did you not stop to think:

1. My home lighting conditions, are they anything like this brightly lit store?
2. My home viewing conditions/distance, are they anything like this 'aisle viewing distance' from which I am judging these LCDs? Do all seating positions sit straight in front of the TV as I am judging this TV now?
3. My home sources/media/DSTV, are they anything like these demo videos designed to look good?

My guess is that you didn't. :)

And that's the mistake everyone makes, which is why they can never understand why when they get home, their LCD TVs look so **** compared to in the shop.

Any TV given the right content/source and settings can look good. Places like DionWired will put their top of the range TV's out in front. Set the mode to Demo. Plug a proper 1080p or 4k Source (generally a USB stick) and those TV's will look amazing. Then take your lower end TV's mount them on a wall, set mode to Home mode, connect it to the aerial (SD decoder). Oh look this LG 55UF770T looks like crap compared to Samsungs SUHD TV at the front of the store.

They do this with Plasma and LED LCD's.

It's all done on purpose. To trick people into buying the more expensive TV's.

Any TV you buy will not look as good as it did in the store :)
 
I find it worrying that Postman watches black screens to see uniformity issues and post photos :(

Fortunately in the real world, it's a non issue when something is displaying on the screen.

Image retention, even if only visible for a few seconds, is more of a real concern because it's actually visible

PS What areas of the screen are bleeding and non uniform?
 

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Any TV given the right content/source and settings can look good. Places like DionWired will put their top of the range TV's out in front. Set the mode to Demo. Plug a proper 1080p or 4k Source (generally a USB stick) and those TV's will look amazing. Then take your lower end TV's mount them on a wall, set mode to Home mode, connect it to the aerial (SD decoder). Oh look this LG 55UF770T looks like crap compared to Samsungs SUHD TV at the front of the store.

They do this with Plasma and LED LCD's.

It's all done on purpose. To trick people into buying the more expensive TV's.

Any TV you buy will not look as good as it did in the store :)

And plasma will always look better at home. Far more forgiving to our non-store/demo sources.

I find it worrying that Postman watches black screens to see uniformity issues and post photos :(

Nonsense point. If anything, it once again shows your lack of understanding about self-lit vs backlit.

Fortunately in the real world, it's a non issue when something is displaying on the screen.

Hogwash. One part(s) could be displaying bright white(s), the other(s) dark black(s).

Image retention, even if only visible for a few seconds, is more of a real concern because it's actually visible

It's as non an issue as much as it's ever been mentioned on this forum. The way you go on about it would seem like it's a massive problem plaguing millions.

PS What areas of the screen are bleeding and non uniform?

Put it next to a plasma and you'll see.
 
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