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[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread
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Mountain Man
this^
I think it's been a deliberate tactic to derail OUTA's court process
Will be interesting to hear OUTA's response
daveza
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Let the games begin.
MagicDude4Eva
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What a coincidence - Showerhead signs eToll bill to derail judgement - who saw that coming?
Sinbad
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I'm stunned that he had the political balls to do this before elections.
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
This blows my mind...
I forsee a big dent in the ANC's tally at next years election if they ACTUALLY implement this shyte before the elections.
I forsee a big dent in the ANC's tally at next years election if they ACTUALLY implement this shyte before the elections.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
It might be a psychological tactic, but it has no bearing on the court case.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Zuma signs E-Tolling into law
President Jacob Zuma has signed into law the Transport Laws and Related Matters Amendment Bill -- paving the way for e-tolling, the presidency said on Wednesday.
"The president... has, in terms of Section 84 (2) of the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa, 1996, signed the Transport Laws and Related Matters Amendment Bill into law," said spokesman Mac Maharaj.
"In effect, the act will provide more effectively for the collection of toll; to amend the Cross-Border Road Transport Act, 1998 (Act No 4 of 1998), to empower the Cross-Border Road Transport Agency to collect toll on behalf of Sanral...."
The law in effect gives the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) the nod to put into effect e-tolling on Gauteng's freeways.
The signing came on the same day that the Supreme Court of Appeal was hearing argument in an attempt by the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) to stop e-tolling in Gauteng.
The court was told that legislation allowed Sanral to explore options other than tolling to fund Gauteng's freeways.
It also heard that Sanral should, therefore, have kept an open mind about the matter, despite the Cabinet's approval of electronic tolling.
"Even bound by the Cabinet decision, they still had to follow the procedures of the act," said Mike Maritz, for Outa.
He argued that the Sanral Act allowed Sanral to explore other funding options. Sanral should have considered this and should not have been bound by Cabinet's decision that the project be funded with public money through e-tolling.
The High Court in Pretoria had granted Outa leave to appeal against a previous judgment, handed down in December, dismissing its bid to have the e-tolls scrapped.
Judge Fritz Brand asked whether Sanral should have ignored Cabinet's decision.
Maritz said Sanral should have kept an open mind and taken all options into consideration.
Last week, Transport Minister Dipuo Peters said the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project would be implemented in 2013, but that a starting date had not been determined.
The e-tolls have been challenged by political parties and the Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu).
In April 2012, the High Court in Pretoria granted Outa an interdict approving a full judicial review before electronic tolling could be put into effect.
The interdict prevented Sanral from levying or collecting e-tolls, pending the outcome of a review. Sanral and the National Treasury appealed the court order.
In September last year, the Constitutional Court set aside the interim order, and in December, the High Court in Pretoria dismissed the application.
The court granted Outa leave on January 25 this year to take the matter to the Supreme Court of Appeal in Bloemfontein.
Source : Sapa /mom/hdw/cls
Date : 25 Sep 2013 19:07
President Jacob Zuma has signed into law the Transport Laws and Related Matters Amendment Bill -- paving the way for e-tolling, the presidency said on Wednesday.
"The president... has, in terms of Section 84 (2) of the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa, 1996, signed the Transport Laws and Related Matters Amendment Bill into law," said spokesman Mac Maharaj.
"In effect, the act will provide more effectively for the collection of toll; to amend the Cross-Border Road Transport Act, 1998 (Act No 4 of 1998), to empower the Cross-Border Road Transport Agency to collect toll on behalf of Sanral...."
The law in effect gives the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) the nod to put into effect e-tolling on Gauteng's freeways.
The signing came on the same day that the Supreme Court of Appeal was hearing argument in an attempt by the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) to stop e-tolling in Gauteng.
The court was told that legislation allowed Sanral to explore options other than tolling to fund Gauteng's freeways.
It also heard that Sanral should, therefore, have kept an open mind about the matter, despite the Cabinet's approval of electronic tolling.
"Even bound by the Cabinet decision, they still had to follow the procedures of the act," said Mike Maritz, for Outa.
He argued that the Sanral Act allowed Sanral to explore other funding options. Sanral should have considered this and should not have been bound by Cabinet's decision that the project be funded with public money through e-tolling.
The High Court in Pretoria had granted Outa leave to appeal against a previous judgment, handed down in December, dismissing its bid to have the e-tolls scrapped.
Judge Fritz Brand asked whether Sanral should have ignored Cabinet's decision.
Maritz said Sanral should have kept an open mind and taken all options into consideration.
Last week, Transport Minister Dipuo Peters said the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project would be implemented in 2013, but that a starting date had not been determined.
The e-tolls have been challenged by political parties and the Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu).
In April 2012, the High Court in Pretoria granted Outa an interdict approving a full judicial review before electronic tolling could be put into effect.
The interdict prevented Sanral from levying or collecting e-tolls, pending the outcome of a review. Sanral and the National Treasury appealed the court order.
In September last year, the Constitutional Court set aside the interim order, and in December, the High Court in Pretoria dismissed the application.
The court granted Outa leave on January 25 this year to take the matter to the Supreme Court of Appeal in Bloemfontein.
Source : Sapa /mom/hdw/cls
Date : 25 Sep 2013 19:07
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
This is disingenuous because Zuma previously indicated that there was a problem with the bill, now all of a sudden he thinks it is OK?
But I am still of the opinion that we will not see e-tolling anytime soon. They still aren't ready in practical terms to handle the volumes of billing that will have to take place.
If they stupidly decide to go ahead with this then...
1) You can expect a further constitutional court challenge to this e-tolling bill and
2) massive headaches around the revenue collection mechanism for e-tolling which may just result in the entire system's downfall.
But I am still of the opinion that we will not see e-tolling anytime soon. They still aren't ready in practical terms to handle the volumes of billing that will have to take place.
If they stupidly decide to go ahead with this then...
1) You can expect a further constitutional court challenge to this e-tolling bill and
2) massive headaches around the revenue collection mechanism for e-tolling which may just result in the entire system's downfall.
Can you genuinely say you are surprised?
Repealing king Zumatello's enactment will take far too long and there is no guarantee of success: foolish are those that expect the cANCer party's Moegoe Moegoe (that king Zumatello planted in The Constitutional Court) to act impartially.
As far as SANRAL's etrolling is concerned, motorists need to realise that the best way to tank etrolling is to bog down SANRAL et al in their own bureaucratic red tape, send SANRAL separate emails to challenge every single toll levied, demand video/photos as proof that your vehicle actually passed under a gantry when SANRAL says it did.
If anyone does etag their own rear end, never ever give SANRAL your bank details.
HelterSkelter
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eTolls are only for dirty vehicles. If you shower your car every second day you wont have to pay eTollie.
DreamKing
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I have a feeling Maimane and DA is liking this.
The black middle class make up something like 17% of Gauteng's population. A decieve kingmaker block that ANC is now pissing off enough that they could shift to Agang or DA.
The black middle class make up something like 17% of Gauteng's population. A decieve kingmaker block that ANC is now pissing off enough that they could shift to Agang or DA.
If the DA is liking this, they are very short sighted. If (and thats a big if) the DA wins GP by promising to do away with tolls, they'll lose the next elections for not keeping that promise (ANC: "They da promised to remove tolls, but they are still here! they are liars!").
TelkomUseless
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Or DA can switch them off and win Gauteng again
It'll go to court for the next 10 years.
EDIT: and a sane judge would not throw a court order to stop the tolling while we wait for the court cases.
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