[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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Well, I am thinking of collecting those plastic thingies that have the SANRAL sticker on them, there seems to be a lot of them lying around unused these days!

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I've come up with a sport to play with these.

INTRODUCING: E-TROLL COPS AND ROBBERS - THE FUN GAME FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY

Here's how you play:

Steal a mate's e-tag, or a family member - double points for the mother in law.
Identify a vehicle of the same model and colour.
Find a way to sneak the e-tag in the car. You can stick it underneath, on the top, slip it in an open window, or casually make conversation at the mall and chuck it inside. Creativity is the name of the game.

Points scoring:

For every infringement issued to your victim - 2 points
For every invoice received by your victim - 5 points
For every summons received by your victim - 10 points
For every arrest - 20 points
For every court appearance - 50 points
For every criminal conviction - 75 points

This is a real-world game that's suitable for the whole family. It encourages people to get outdoors, and it's great training for any budding sociopaths out there...:)
 
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From what I've read the e-tolling bill (The Transport Laws and Related Matters Amendment Bill) was pushed through parliament primarily by ANC MP's with most of the opposition parties strongly against it.
Is voting in parliament anonymous or are basic records of votes per party kept somewhere?

All I can find is that there were 193 votes for the bill and 98 against it, with two abstentions.
 
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I've come up with a sport to play with these.

INTRODUCING: E-TROLL COPS AND ROBBERS - THE FUN GAME FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY

Here's how you play:

Steal a mate's e-tag, or a family member - double points for the mother in law.
Identify a vehicle of the same model and colour.
Find a way to sneak the e-tag in the car. You can stick it underneath, on the top, slip it in an open window, or casually make conversation at the mall and chuck it inside. Creativity is the name of the game.

Points scoring:

For every infringement issued to your victim - 2 points
For every invoice received by your victim - 5 points
For every summons received by your victim - 10 points
For every arrest - 20 points
For every court appearance - 50 points
For every criminal conviction - 75 points

This is a real-world game that's suitable for the whole family. It encourages people to get outdoors, and it's great training for any budding sociopaths out there...:)

As hilarious as this is... I can see some enterprising scumbags actually going for this IRL! :D
 
From what I've read the e-tolling bill (The Transport Laws and Related Matters Amendment Bill) was pushed through parliament primarily by ANC MP's with most of the opposition parties strongly against it.
Is voting in parliament anonymous or are basic records of votes per party kept somewhere?

All I can find is that there were 193 votes for the bill and 98 against it, with two abstentions.

They should actually run an article with the names and faces of the people who voted.
 
They should actually run an article with the names and faces of the people who voted.

thats a good idea .... let the people see their representatives that sold them to the Austrians :)
hope one of the papers does this!!

Also, I am sure the tags can be easily cloned/copied .... remember the brits having an issue with this when they were trying to introduce RFIDs into their ID cards or passports. Wonder if our enterprising criminals have already figured a way to clone the cards.
 
Anybody seen this.....

Etoll web vulnerability exposes Gauteng drivers’ data

Drivers who’ve registered for Gauteng’s controversial etoll system could find their personal details compromised thanks to a vulnerability discovered in the online account management pages of the automated tagging system.

http://www.htxt.co.za/2013/10/16/etoll-web-vulnerability-exposes-gauteng-drivers-data/

Here's the link to the article on ITWeb

http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?op...registrations-leave-info-vulnerable&catid=359
 
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/89055-the-truth-about-e-tag-sales-figures.html

The truth about e-tag sales figures
Outa chairperson Wayne Duvenage says that Sanral’s e-tag sales figures are absolute nonsense; here are the facts

Over the last two years, the South African National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) – the organisation which is behind e-tolls – released numerous e-tag sales figures. These figures are absolute nonsense, argues Outa chairperson Wayne Duvenage.

The controversial e-toll system is set to go live by the end of the year (2013), and to make the system work, Sanral will need 90% compliance from 3.5 million registered motor vehicles – i.e. people buying a pre-paid e-tag.

Sanral said that 600,000 e-tags have been sold, but Duvenhage disputes this figure.

“The figures that Sanral is putting out there, trying to create the picture that people are rushing out to buy e-tags, are absolute nonsense,” Duvenhage said in a Carte Blanche interview.

“These numbers were bouncing all over the place. We just don’t trust the integrity of Sanral, which in my eyes is shot.”

What Sanral claimed

A good way to assess the accuracy of Sanral’s e-tag sales claims is to look at a chronological breakdown of the numbers over the last two years.

7 November 2011 – 0 – The e-toll account registration and the distribution of e-tags for Phase-1 of the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project (GFIP) has kicked off, Sanral announced (article link here).
13 March 2012 – 320,000 – Sanral Chief Executive Officer Nazir Alli said that so far, more than 320,000 Gauteng motorists had registered for e-tolling (article link here).
19 April 2012 – 500,000 – Alli said that the implementation date could not be delayed as it would result in additional cost, adding that the number of registered motorists has increased to 500,000 (article link here).
20 April 2012 – 250,000 – According to Sanral, about 250,000 e-toll tags had been bought by week of 20 April 2012, and about the same amount of e-toll accounts registered (article link here).
23 April 2012 – 500,000 – More than 500,000 e-tags have been distributed to motorists around the province ahead of the launch date on 30 April (article link here).
26 April 2012 – 501 245 – 501,245 e-tags had been sold so far (article link here).
15 November 2012 – 500,000 – Sanral said that at least 500,000 e-tags have been sold to motorists and fleet vehicle owners in Gauteng (article link here).
15 February 2013 – 500,000 – “To date about 500 000 tags have been sold with e-tag sales slowly increasing every month,” said GFIP manager Alex Van Niekerk (article link here).
11 April 2013 – 600,000 – To date, there are approximately 600 000 e-tag registrations (article link here).
8 May 2013 – 600,000 – Sanral was not able to supply the latest figures on e-tag sales, but Alex van Niekerk, senior project manager for the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project, said the last figure was estimated at around 600,000 (article link here).
8 October 2013 – 600,000 – Sanral CEO Nazir Alli said 600,000 e-toll tags were in circulation (article link here).
12 October 2013 – 608,000 – Cabinet spokesperson Phumla Williams said there are around 608,000 motorists who have already been tagged, which she said was not a small figure (article link here).
The numbers do not make sense

The numbers supplied by Sanral and government about e-tag sales do not make sense.

Firstly there is the glaring problem of the e-tag number dropping from 500,000 on 19 April 2012 to 250,000 the next day, and back up to 500,000 three days later.

If one assumes that the 250,000 figure was somehow misunderstood or misquoted, the extremely erratic growth in the claimed e-tag sales figures just do not make sense.

Sanral and government's e-tag sales claims
Sanral and government’s e-tag sales claims
According to Sanral, sales went from 0 to 500,000 in the first five months, and then remained unchanged for nearly a year.

It then increased by 100,000 (from 500,000 to 600,000) in two months, and again remained unchanged for the next 6 months.

There is no reason for this apparent acceleration and then stagnation of sales, which sheds doubt on the accuracy of the figures.

Monthly e-tag sales (claimed)
Monthly e-tag sales (claimed)
True e-tag sales estimate

Duvenhage explained that most of the e-tags given out to date are to the leasing and rental companies, and then some to other fleet companies and municipalities. He estimates these numbers to be no more than 50,000 to 70,000.

“The public would have purchased a maximum of 40,000 to 50,000 e-tags. At best there are 120,000 to 150,000 e-tags out there, and not all of these are in cars today,” said Duvenhage.

This is a far cry from Sanral’s claimed 600,000 e-tags sold. “These are my estimates, and Sanral will no doubt scoff at these and denounce my views with much song and dance,” said Duvenhage.

E-tag sales estimates: Sanral vs Outa
E-tag sales estimates: Sanral vs Outa (15 October 2013)
Sanral mum on the numbers

Sanral was asked for comment on its strange e-tag sales numbers, but the company did not respond by the time of publication.
 
E-toll courts extra financial burden: SACCI

Establishing special courts where e-toll non-payers can be prosecuted will create an added burden for motorists, Sacci said on Thursday.

"These structures will create an additional fiscal burden which road users will have to pay for and will duplicate existing judicial structures capable of handling these charges," SA Chamber of Commerce and Industry CEO Neren Rau said in a statement.

"The Administrative Adjudication of Road Traffic Offences Act (AARTO) already provides for road traffic offences. The proposed special e-toll courts speaks to the questionable efficiency of the entire system."

Rau said the e-tolls court would duplicate existing legitimate methods for law enforcement which will cost additional money and the oversight would be questionable.

Sacci called on the SA National Roads Agency Ltd (Sanral) to withdraw the proposal for the specialised courts.

Sanral and the justice department are discussing the possibility of establishing a special court after Sanral asked for such a court.

Sanral and former transport minister Ben Martins earlier acknowledged that the controversial AARTO Act will not be used to prosecute e-toll non-payers. Instead, the Criminal Procedure Act will be used.


Source : Sapa /dm/jk
Date : 17 Oct 2013 10:46
 
E-toll registrations leave info vulnerable

http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?op...registrations-leave-info-vulnerable&catid=154

A reader has alerted ITWeb to a security flaw in the e-tolls Web site that could allow attackers to capture personal information such as identity numbers, car registration details, physical and e-mail addresses, as well as cellphone numbers.

News of this flaw, which was allegedly disclosed to the South African Roads Agency (Sanral) more than a year ago, comes as government ramps up its charm offensive to persuade Gauteng commuters to register and get e-tags. Some 600 000 motorists are believed to have purchased e-tags to date.

Fortunately, the attack is not simple and is greatly limited in scope. While the episode reflects poorly on Sanral, the risk to e-toll customers is small. An attacker would have to be present on the same physical network as the e-toll user and conduct a comprehensive man-in-the-middle attack, in which case far more than e-toll data would be at risk....
 
South Africans are law abiding citizens: Sanral CEO

http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/222d8e...Africans-are-law-abiding-citizens:-Sanral-CEO

South African National Road Agency Limited (Sanral) CEO, Nazir Alli says South Africans are generally law abiding citizens and are not selective in which laws they abide to.

Speaking on Morning Live Alli says e-tolls will commence before the end of the year.

He says refusing to pay will be an offence. "Should a person not pay, we will follow the debt collection process. Should this not work we will then summons a person to court and thereafter the court will decide the cause of action to be followed."

...
 
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/89167-e-toll-prices-send-in-your-comments.html

The e-mail address to which members of the public can send their comments on the newly proposed E-toll tariffs is now functioning.

That’s the word from a Department of Transport (DoT) employee who deals with feedback from the public.

Their confirmation comes after the Internet domains of the department were offline when the Minister of Transport published the new E-toll prices for public comment.

According to the DoT, comments must be submitted in writing, with e-mail specified as one of the accepted delivery methods.

However, the address provided by the DoT ([email protected]) in the government gazette immediately returned the error message, “Recipient address rejected: Access denied” when trying to send e-mails to it last week Thursday (10 October 2013).

Sending e-mails to the same address now results on the following automatic reply being received:

The message that you sent was delivered to the following:

Information about your message:

Previously, the DoT told MyBroadband that their webservers are hosted by the State Information Technology Agency (Sita).

Sita has confirmed that it hosts the servers for the Department of Transport, but has not been able to provide official feedback on what caused the DoT server downtime.

Spokespeople for the DoT were not available for comment on Thursday, 17 October 2013, on whether the period for public comment will be extended.
 
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