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More black staff, or else...
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If only you knew how much crap I company I know of is taking from racist *******s( No they're not white...yes I know you believe it's impossible....) trying to get rid of a whitey company. Please somebody explain how a bunch werkas can take their complaints to the bloody mayor. Next time I have something to complain about I'm sure the mayor would be willing to hear my complaints.
Which is why I can get any medical post in the UK, even registrar over any
South African (non-EU), Pakistani, New Zealander, Australian, Indian, etc candidate. I love affirmative action too, even if my qualifications were to be worse (which is impossible)
they would still need to take me and boot out the non-EU guy.
Lord Anubis
Expert Member
you bunch of whinging whiteys hehehe
koffiejunkie
Executive Member
Yeah, but only when you owe them money. Try getting something out of them.
Huh? Is this sarcasm? Serious question...Most white people feel insulted too if you tell them they gained something because of Apartheid.
It's serious. I would take serious exception to being falesly accused of benifiting from Apartheid. I had no "right" to education. I also didn't have the luxury of completeing school without having to work my butt off to help make ends meet. White doesn't automatically mean privileged and/or rich. Easy-street is not a given.
But unlike the arseholes in power, I have respect for the fact that people don't all come from the same backgrounds, and that while many people had it easier than me, many more had it worse. There's only one way out of poverty - HARD WORK. I worked my butt off, for damn near two decades before I made it and was able to attain some financial freedom. So yeah, I take great exception with being accused of having had it easy somehow because of my skin colour.
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Same here. I work with a more mixed crowd than you'll find anywhere in S.A. There's no prejudice, no blame, no "us and them" and no perceived entitlement. Everybody is competent and hired on merit, skin colour issues simply don't exist.
I can make it in S.A. - I know how to play the game. But the attitude gets me down - there's no way I'm going back unless some radical changes take place. Which won't happen. I don't even bother trying to keep tabs on S.A. any more. When thr president finally bows his head in shame for all the f***-ups that he's responsible for and presided over, and step down, I *might* start taking notice again. For now I don't miss anything enough to even think of going back and giving up a life where I compete solely on merit and get hired for my skills and experience.
One more point: "skills transfer" kills people's interest in learning more and improving themselves. When newbies view their more experienced colleague as someone who's only there to "give" them skills, no one benifits. In a natural environment a newbie would be in awe and have natural respect for his more experienced colleague's skill, and stive and work towards it - learning and progress comes natural. BEE is all about how things look, not how things really are.
I am gatvol of doing the work of others in positions because they have excess pigment over me.
They can not be fired as their pigment makes them an endangered species.
More working black staff, or else I will throw my toys out of the cot, be accused of being a racist and be jolly happy in 6 months in NZ where race is not an issue to blacks nor whites. I will enjoy it to see a profit centre make a loss because of racist policies.
They can not be fired as their pigment makes them an endangered species.
More working black staff, or else I will throw my toys out of the cot, be accused of being a racist and be jolly happy in 6 months in NZ where race is not an issue to blacks nor whites. I will enjoy it to see a profit centre make a loss because of racist policies.
No Alf101, I spend my time looking for the likes of you, The one that are resistant to change, the sooner you embrace it, lesser is the pain you going to endure.
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The likes of you can go to NZ simply because you cannot this change is inevitable and here to stay. You have enjoyed everything in your life because of the pillars of the past regime, so it is time to share, all you want to do is go to NZ. You can pack your bag and go, less resistant people left to rebuild this country.
lion_fish
Expert Member
There would be no need to "rebuild" if things were done properly in the first place...
And the fact that his **** stinks also doesn't tally with reality to him...
The fact that there is an electricity crisis in South Africa probably also doesn't tally with reality according to him.
I am sure there are enough skilled blacks running Eskom, right minister?
They are making the same mistake the Apartheid government made and that is to classify, identify and try and manage society. Societies don't like being managed. It is called social engineering and it is EVIL!
There is no friendly and kind way around it. BEE/AA is EVIL!
We should be interested in merit based appointments and everybody should get a hand up through education and quality social services that don't let the poor breed like rabbits but rather empower a society that replaces itself effectively with a better equipped next generation. That is what we are supposed to do.
Too many people including Mr Mdladlana however make a living in the shadow of their own inequities... It is nice to ride a cash cow that ****s money every time you mention words like Apartheid, BEE and AA...
What ordinary people don't realize is that these politicians and NGOs that thrive on the pain bandwagon of stuff that truly belong in historic archives will not be found at any South African zip code when the **** hits the fan in South Africa...
You would have better luck in finding them in countries like Russia and Cuba if not that "detestable" Europe they so love to hate in international media when the money train comes by...
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No Alf101, I spend my time looking for the likes of you, The one that are resistant to change, the sooner you embrace it, lesser is the pain you going to endure.
You make the false assumption that all change is good.
I refuse to share the fruits of my hard work with others, why is that a problem?
Exactly.
No wonder there is a need for AA/EE/BEE, to force the likes of you to change, take your hard earned knowledge with you anywhere you go. That is the attitude that forces Mdladlana to force it down the throat of non-compliant companies.
Vrotappel
Bulls fan
The problem with many south africans are that they think that all things in life are for free and that you are entitled to it due to the -evils- of apartheid. Africa will stay the backwater POS it is whilst that attitude remains. While africans are waiting and demanding handouts the rest of the world is 'MOVING' on and leaving Africa and africans behind. Skills are not going to fall in your lap, you need to get of your lazy ass and earn it.
Giving jobs to people that don't earn it just serves to fire on this african self entitlement believe. SA and all its africans are paying and will pay a mayor price for AA/EE/BEE. Its just a pity that africans are to stupid to realise it.
If the past regime had treated everyone the same, i hope that is what you mean.
Oops?
No Alf101, I spend my time looking for the likes of you, The one that are resistant to change, the sooner you embrace it, lesser is the pain you going to endure.
I've said it before, but it's worth repeating for the 23 post troll:
AA etc. etc. without skills transfer is a self-perpetuating exercise in futility.
If the minister wants lasting change he might consider engaging with his fellow colleague, the minister of education.
You can shove the smiley BTW
.I could not go to school between grade 5 and grade 10. In matric we did not have food in our house. The past did not help me much.
I don't mind to share, but obviously I feel that people should deserve their positions through hard work and they should be able to do that work. I will go to NZ as I know like the rest of Africa, RSA will fail and the whites will have no place in it.
The current leaders of RSA can not plan for the future nor anticipate future needs. They are uneducated and out of touch with reality and the concept of consequences and actions.
I find it strange that you can't realise that even under the NP RSA did much better than any other African country and that those residents wanted to move in to RSA under its "oppressive" rule as it was better than what the African leaders provided to them.
Ask an old black man if life under the ANC is better now than under the NP. I see both parties as evil as the other.
I think the DA would bring balance and do that is best for the country as a whole rather than just for a certain minority group (black and white minorities).
SuperAntMD
Expert Member
I have begun to notice a trend developing over the forum which I think is probably true for the country as a whole.
The great divide comes down to what is basically capitalism vs. socialism i.e. those that believe that everyone needs to work to get what they deserve, and those that believe it should be state funded handouts to run in and save the day whenever life starts getting a little tough.
The ANC has increasingly leftist views which are shared by much of our population (obviously, since they get such an overwhelming majority in every election). Even the Xenophobic attacks are a symptom of this "hand-out" mentality. The foreigners are willing to work hard at whatever job they can get and earn a salary, save some money and improve their lives whilst the locals are still waiting for the mighty hand of government to step in and drop blessings in their laps. Then they complain because the foreigners "are taking all the jobs". I call bull**** on that, there is no work ethic in South Africa whatsoever and government policies are holding us further back rather then helping us move forward.
The great divide comes down to what is basically capitalism vs. socialism i.e. those that believe that everyone needs to work to get what they deserve, and those that believe it should be state funded handouts to run in and save the day whenever life starts getting a little tough.
The ANC has increasingly leftist views which are shared by much of our population (obviously, since they get such an overwhelming majority in every election). Even the Xenophobic attacks are a symptom of this "hand-out" mentality. The foreigners are willing to work hard at whatever job they can get and earn a salary, save some money and improve their lives whilst the locals are still waiting for the mighty hand of government to step in and drop blessings in their laps. Then they complain because the foreigners "are taking all the jobs". I call bull**** on that, there is no work ethic in South Africa whatsoever and government policies are holding us further back rather then helping us move forward.
Has any of you read what is written in the EE Act? The Act says level the playing fields, removed the barriers to diversity.
Do we all agree that these inequalities were due to the policies implemented by the past regime? Anyone of you, got better ideas than what is being suggested in the EE Act?
Have you guys being consulted by your relevant managers, regarding the Act, setup consultative forums?
Do we all agree that these inequalities were due to the policies implemented by the past regime? Anyone of you, got better ideas than what is being suggested in the EE Act?
Have you guys being consulted by your relevant managers, regarding the Act, setup consultative forums?
You haven't answered me, you just choose to generalise with "the likes of you". Why should anyone be forced to work for somebody else? The implication is that being white and successful is something to apologise for. If people are prepared to work hard they'll do well, black or white.