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Is it just me? But Windows Live Messenger stopped working around 11:20am and I keep getting error 8100030d :confused:
 
...so any official response to:
(I do recall openweb at least giving one on their ruling way back)

Mweb Uncapped Internet Service / DI Wise & Another / 16148
Ruling of the : ASA Directorate
In the matter between:
Mr DI Wise Sharyn L Wise Complainant(s)/Appellant(s)
Mweb Connect (Pty) Ltd Respondent

04 May 2011

Consumer complaints were lodged against an Mweb Connect’s internet advertising promoting its Broadband ADSL Uncapped that was published on www.mweb.co.za.

The advertised products that are a subject matter to the complaint are Uncapped products, which offers “Unlimited internet access for a fixed monthly price” varying from R219,00 to R2 359,00 per month. Some of the benefits listed include, “Don’t get cut off from your Internet”; “Use as much data as you like”; “FAST always-on internet access”; and “Ideal for video calling, downloads and running a small office”.

COMPLAINT
In essence, the complainants submitted that the advertisement is misleading as the word “uncapped” implies limitless access, but their accounts were cancelled by the respondent claiming high bandwidth usage as the reason.

RELEVANT CLAUSE OF THE CODE OF ADVERTISING PRACTICE
In light of the complaint Clause 4.2.1 of Section II (Misleading claims) of the Code was taken into account.

RESPONSE
DLA Cliffe Dekker Hofmeyr Attorneys, on behalf of the respondent, submitted, inter alia, that the complainants’ accounts were cancelled as their usage conduct was in breach of the respondent’s “Acceptable Use Policy”.

ASA DIRECTORATE RULING
The ASA Directorate considered all the relevant documentation submitted by the respective parties.

Clause 4.2.1 of Section II states that advertisements should not contain any statement or visual presentation, which directly or by implication, omission, ambiguity, inaccuracy, exaggerated claim or otherwise, is likely to mislead the consumer.

The complainants are of the opinion that the advertisement is misleading as the word “uncapped” implies limitless access, but their accounts were cancelled by the respondent claiming high bandwidth usage as the reason.

The respondent submitted that the complainants’ accounts were cancelled as their usage conduct was in breach of the respondent’s “Acceptable Use Policy”.

In Open Web Uncapped ADSL / M B Deas and Another / 9690 (16 October 2007) where a similar issue was considered, the Directorate, taking into consideration an opinion from the Internet Service Provider’s Association (ISPA), ruled as follows:

“While ISPA accepted that some consumers might attach an incorrect interpretation to the term ‘uncapped’, it appears of the opinion that the respondent’s practice is common in the industry…The Directorate acknowledges that there is some scope for a potential customer to confuse the ‘threshold’ levels as ‘caps’, but the meaning of the limitations must be assessed in the context they appear. The claim therefore needs to be measured in the context of the respondent’s website.”

The claim “uncapped” was not ruled against, as the respondent, at worst, throttled the connection speed, but never terminated the connection entirely.

In Sentech / M Diamond / 3239 (2 November 2005) the Directorate considered the claim “unlimited” and stated “While this claim is ex facie true for the respondent’s MyWireless flexi package, the material before the Directorate indicates that it does not apply to the MyWireless classic packages, which are, by the respondent’s own admission, monitored and limited after excessive usage. The claim specifically states that the access supplied is “unlimited” with no qualifying statements as to any conditions. The reality, however, is that there are certain limitations applicable to the respondent’s services, depending on the package that one chooses.”

From the above it becomes apparent that a hypothetical reasonable person confronted with a claim such as “uncapped”, would expect never to have his connection terminated. Practices such as reducing (throttling) connection speed are often used as an alternative to capping.

With regard to the matter at hand the respondent submitted that the complainants’ access was terminated because they did not use the service for periodic active use of the internet. The complainants’ accounts were therefore not terminated based on the volume of data usage but the manner in which the accounts were used. The respondent has however not put before the Directorate specific reasons why the complainants’ services were cut. While the Directorate accepts that the respondent may have sound business reasons for doing so, the fact remains that it appears ex facie that the respondent’s uncapped product is monitored and “capped” at some point.

Based on the above the Directorate is of the opinion that the advertisement is misleading, as it appears ex facie that the service is not “uncapped” as claimed and understood by the hypothetical reasonable person.

The claim “uncapped” is therefore in contravention of Clause 4.2.1 of Section II.

Given the above finding:

The claim “uncapped” must be withdrawn;

The process to withdraw the claim must be actioned with immediate effect on receipt of ruling;

The withdrawal of the claim must be completed within the deadlines stipulated by Clause 15.3 of the Procedural Guide; and

The claim may not be used again in its current format unless the respondent provides an uncapped service.


The Directorate wishes to draw the respondent’s attention to Clause 15.5 of the Procedural Guide which states that offending claims are to be withdrawn from every medium in which they appear, notwithstanding that the complaint did not specifically refer to that particular medium.

The complaints are therefore upheld. [link]
 
You're talking about this (currently) 10-page thread?

I have read the 10 page thread, though I had to go and read the actual ruling to get a proper understanding VS what was posted on the article. If I've somehow missed the Official response in those 10 page, please link it.
 
From their Facebook page 6 hours ago
MWEB Hi Ian, we are busy engaging with the ASA and as I'm sure you can understand, it is a legal issue and at this stage we cannot give any further detail.

Don't know if their has been any other statement but that's the last one I saw,
 
From their Facebook page 6 hours ago
MWEB Hi Ian, we are busy engaging with the ASA and as I'm sure you can understand, it is a legal issue and at this stage we cannot give any further detail.

Don't know if their has been any other statement but that's the last one I saw,
Not like I really can access facebook at work, will have a look there later on. Thanks.
 
I have read the 10 page thread, though I had to go and read the actual ruling to get a proper understanding VS what was posted on the article. If I've somehow missed the Official response in those 10 page, please link it.

No, was just giving a link to the thread :)
 
Im surprised it took this long, mayby too many people were scared their new toy was gonna get taken away
 
up and down like a yo yo this mweb uncapped. At least I end up getting all the data that i want though, ends up costing about R5 per gig for me
 
True, somehow or another I manage, if only by accident sometimes.
For all its faults MWEB did manage to do us a good turn, I think they just did not expect, even though a blind idiot could see it coming, the kind of insanity that gripped people once they thought they finally had total internet freedom. Thats what happens when the repressed suddenly have so many "rules" just fall away, kid in candystore syndrome.
 
Shevath, what result do you get to this?

http://speedtest.cpt.mweb.co.za/

I will also test mine for interest sake

Firewall check skipped
Latency test skipped
Packet Loss test skipped
Last Result:
Download Speed: 1535 kbps (191.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 321 kbps (40.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: -1 ms

Quickly connecting to Afrihost via PPOE

Last Result:
Download Speed: 3502 kbps (437.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 389 kbps (48.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: -1 ms

Interesting Will?
 
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Returned to Mweb and this is the result. The Mweb connection shows a graph of bursts in spikes, no constant download at all as opposed to Afrihost. The same pattern could be seen in the news server downloads using AltBinz.

Last Result:
Download Speed: 1903 kbps (237.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 367 kbps (45.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: -1 ms
 
Hi All Our networks team are currently working around the clock to get to the bottom of the speed and latency issues being reported, particularly on international gaming.

At this stage I can't unfortunately give you an ETA on a resolution to this, nor can I confirm that there is a relationship between this and the news server speeds that you are experiencing.

I would really appreciate it if you could remain patient while we work through this issue. I can assure you that all of the complaints have been heard and taken into account.

Kind regards
 
back to bad download speeds off the news servers. max 10kb a second. sigh.
 
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