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Rouxenator said:
The way the track you down on torrents is they look for torrents with illegal files and then they see what seeders/peers they can download it from. These seeders/peers and then traced and their ISP/upstream providers are notified and so the message eventually gets to you.

On news servers its really easy, you just need to look at who is logged on (on paid servers they have even more details on you) and then see what that user is downloading. Every one downloading illegal content is traced and notified. No looking for seeders or peers on illegal content, just listing ALL user downloading it.
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I do believe you are misinformed about how news groups work, for starters you cant "see" what people are downloading as its encrypted with ssl, requests are made to download newsgroup packets this information is then stored on the news group server temporally till the download is completed nowhere in this process is your ip exchanged or stored and since your downloading the packet with ssl no one els knows what your downloading or can see anything,except an encrypted SSL connection.

Torrents do how ever allso have SSL but you're still connecting to other peers even if you announce on an SSL conneciton. Unless you use a proxy service, your IP is publicly available to any member of that private tracker but with usenet, your IP is never exposed to any third party.

Like I said before you need a proper source for that info not YOUR OWN OPINION.

Now lets put this to rest , your main argument is that usenet is old and redundant with lots of security flaws as it is used in a way it was never intended, I highly recommend you read/watch a speach by Mecheal Brooks at Dev con 17 regarding the current state of Torrents and its flaws/hacks:

http://www.defcon.org/images/defcon...ns/defcon-17-brooks-aslanian-tor_hacks-wp.pdf

https://media.defcon.org/dc-17/vide...ian - BitTorrent Hacks - Video and Slides.m4v

PS if you dont know what dev con is I really cant help you.
 
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PsyWulf said:
It's far easier to set up Honeypot torrents on Public trackers and see what IP addresses are grabbing it than getting a private USENet server admin to hand over their server logs. Even public USENet server logs would be more challenging than directly harvesting IPs from Torrents which can be done with NO interaction from the server providers
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That will go down nicely in court - you can bait me - and I get sued (try again please)
:love: Idiots
'Die deler is net so goes soos die steler'
 
Geez this Mweb is either crap slow or just plain inconsistent ... past month I've had 20 KBps usenet downloads, now the past two nights I'm getting 100 KBps (I did change from Astraweb though). Just logged into my home PC now and it's going at full line speed (it's Thursday 1 PM). What the hell?!

So looking forward to trying Axxess' same deal at half price!
 
Yea me as well

420 solid without problems :D. The content is also far better on nzb's, you know because usenet is mostly a paid service that the files won't be passworded and that sort of thing. Torrents are just annoying, if something is old well then it will go slow if at all. Nzb's can be 500 days old and fly at full.
 
xrapidx said:
I think I posted a link saying newservers are much safer for privacy.... can you please post a single case of that happening with newsgroups? I can post a few with torrents.
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Just because it does not happen does not mean its impossible. This like saying Apple Macs don't get viruses. It is much easer to just....
PsyWulf said:
...getting a private USENet server admin to hand over their server logs...
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Shut down the server and jail the admin for hosting illegal content :D
fbman said:
I get full speed from ny newsgroups
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Even if you do you are still downloading at least 1.3333x more than you should.

The fact is, seeing that this is an Mweb thread, that they are rather investing in more international capacity than upgrading a deprecated piracy box. That alone should give you some indication of the current trend. News server are going private and premium while the public ones die out. Once this reached full swing there will be a lot more cases against private news servers who will Teflon it onto their users.
 
Rouxenator, you just proved my piont you dont know jack about usenet lol
 
FaSMaN said:
Rouxenator, you just proved my piont you dont know jack about usenet lol
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I'm intrigued. Why do you say that ?

* Because they will never go after premium news server?
* Or because you never transfer more than 1.3333x than you should?
* Or because MWEB is actually secretly upgrading their news servers?

Please do enlighten my so that I know jack.
 
You need to read up on how content is actually hosted on usenet, and how usenet servers gather new content you cant get sued if its a automated and you didnt put it there, the worse they can do is request that you remove it, if you dont then they might have grounds to sue.

Allso you just side steped my previose post :P, guess you cant argue the security aspect then, or defend bit torrent on that.

here Ill be so kind as to actually post links even though you cant and think your opinion is fact.
http://people.dsv.su.se/~jpalme/e-mail-book/usenet-news.html
 
Rouxenator said:
Just because it does not happen does not mean its impossible. This like saying Apple Macs don't get viruses. It is much easer to just....
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you keep going on about "cold hard facts" - but have nothing to back them up - so in other words, its nothing but a fanboy opinion.
 
Allso pay careful attention to: (on the same link I posted)
Information about a user, such as how much this user has seen, is stored in the client. The server need not even know which users are using it. There are many different user-interface softwares for Usenet News, Some of them, of course, do not provide all the available functions.
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So even if they do sue the service providers for there logs they dont know what users where connected or downloading what, so all your arguments FAIL better luck next time lol.
 
xrapidx said:
you keep going on about "cold hard facts" - but have nothing to back them up - so in other words, its nothing but a fanboy opinion.
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The facts : http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...ers-Feedback?p=4902333&viewfull=1#post4902333

FaSMaN said:
You need to read up on how content is actually hosted on usenet, and how usenet servers gather new content you cant get sued if its a automated and you didnt put it there, the worse they can do is request that you remove it, if you dont then they might have grounds to sue.
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See the above link - I know how the files are stored. The fact is that the server is the source of copy righted material. Just like with rapidshare for example. Only difference is that rapidshare uses HTTP which is much more effective than NNTP for binary transfers.

FaSMaN said:
Allso you just side steped my previose post :P, guess you cant argue the security aspect then, or defend bit torrent on that.
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On torrents you can force encryption on all transfers (in and out).

FaSMaN said:
ASo even if they do sue the service providers for there logs they dont know what users where connected or downloading what, so all your arguments FAIL better luck next time lol.
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There is no way that will fly or even comply with new regulations. In terms of the RICA act all services needs to keep logs of who accessed it. Better luck next time
 
Rouxenator said:
The facts : http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...ers-Feedback?p=4902333&viewfull=1#post4902333


See the above link - I know how the files are stored. The fact is that the server is the source of copy righted material. Just like with rapidshare for example. Only difference is that rapidshare uses HTTP which is much more effective than NNTP for binary transfers.


On torrents you can force encryption on all transfers (in and out).


There is no way that will fly or even comply with new regulations. In terms of the RICA act all services needs to keep logs of who accessed it. Better luck next time
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We asked for proof and you simply linked to yourself ROFL, that the funniest thing ever your opinion isnt even worth the effort you put in to write it.

Yes and thats why rapidshare is still here all that gets done is they request the "illegal/infringing" files to be removed and they get removed, end of story no lawsuit,and rapdshare is left to operate like normal.

Rica is South African legislation, international standers / companies / countries, NEED NOT APPLY TO THERE STANDARD LoL

Your a classic :)

Edit: Forgot to mention about Torrents it is encrypted but not to your peers they can see what your downloading, your ip, and what your seeding back to them, thats how they catch you out.
 
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xrapidx said:
got some really bad news for you- facts require references and proof - your post is not a fact.

And again, where is your proof that newserver are riskier than torrents with regards to piracy?
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Mmm, I have to concede, you really are a dedicated troll when you put your mind to it - much more dedicated than me.

Lets do it this way round - you take those facts in my old post and you dispute each of them if you can. I will then see if it is worth the effort to defend it.

Oh, and the markup says you are wrong (again) :
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Rouxenator said:
Mmm, I have to concede, you really are a dedicated troll when you put your mind to it - much more dedicated than me.

Lets do it this way round - you take those facts in my old post and you dispute each of them if you can. I will then see if it is worth the effort to defend it.
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I did - I provided you with a link stating newsgroup use is safer than torrents - you ignored it - like you do everything else.

Oh, and its not trolling when you try and get a point across to someone who doesn't seem to understand that just posting something makes it fact. You, and you alone are going on about torrents being safer - when torrent users are the only ones getting piracy notices, as well as being sued frequently.

Besides, everyone is, again, against you and your ideals - making you the troll ;)
 
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