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Look here when he starts it and revs it.

http://youtu.be/AmKTyXqNu-8

Pulls to the side quite hecticly.

Something to do with how it's balanced.
No, it's got to do with engine layout. Most bikes have engines with the drive shift running perpendicular to the bike. So when you suddenly rev the torque generated by the engine on the spinning drive shift will try to twist the bike either forwards or backwards. The suspension of the bike sucks this up so it's hard to notice.

On the BMW boxer engines the drive shaft lies parrallel to the bike. So now when you rev it will try to twist the bike to the side. That's a lot more noticeable because you are balancing the bike against sideways motion.
 
I'm in the same boat as you, I also got myself a CBR250R about a month ago, also my first bike. Same colour as well. I will admit, it's a huge shock to the system being on 2 wheels in traffic, if you're used to being in a car. The wind, as you mention, is something to get used to. I too was worried about wind when I first went on the highway, thinking I was going to blow off the bike and stuff.

It really is a great bike, and will reward you greatly when you get used to it. The power is there, just feel confident to use it safely. Also remember that it is a city bike, it's not going to break any speed records. You can easily keep up with highway speeds, but don't rush to get to those speeds yet. I'm perfectly happy with mine, I think it's one of the best starter bikes, and a good stepping stone to bigger bikes. It gives you that supersport kinda feel, but still remains light and will allow you to make mistakes.

When you start really riding in peak hour traffic, just be extra cautious. Don't try and keep up with the bigger bikes as they have way more experience than we do. I just let them pass, then carry on my way. Remember, the brakes aren't the best out there, so give yourself enough space to react to any changing situation. And always remember, if you have doubt when on the bike, don't do it. Be it lane splitting, taking a gap, riding too close to other cars... Trust your gut, it'll save you plenty.

Fortunately, I did drive a scooter for about two years, so I'm familiar with that aspect of things. At this point I am certainly not going to try and keep up with anyone, or anything. Don't feel comfortable lane-splitting yet, and drive as if I am car-shaped.

RE highways - I got up to 140 KM/h yesterday, which in terms of speed for me is way more than I need at this point. I think the only point of concern in this regard would be passing cars going at a bit of a lick, not enough power for that.

All in all, I'm enjoying it tremendously, and look forward to my trip to work even.
 
The correct K53 way is holding the bike in place with the foot brake and pulling away cleanly.

When you have your license you can cheat like the rest of us and roll on the throttle while releasing brake.

I'm trying to drill it into my muscle memory that the foot brake exists at this stage. :o
 
No, it's got to do with engine layout. Most bikes have engines with the drive shift running perpendicular to the bike. So when you suddenly rev the torque generated by the engine on the spinning drive shift will try to twist the bike either forwards or backwards. The suspension of the bike sucks this up so it's hard to notice.

On the BMW boxer engines the drive shaft lies parrallel to the bike. So now when you rev it will try to twist the bike to the side. That's a lot more noticeable because you are balancing the bike against sideways motion.

Kind of...

A normal engine the piston is up down onto the crank so the force does not translate into the effect of left to right as the boxer does,

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The boxer crank rotates inline with the chassis, so as it revs, the torque will translate into a slight left to right movement (clockwise)
 
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Kind of...

A normal engine the piston is up down onto the crank so the force does not translate into the effect of left to right as the boxer does,

The boxer crank rotates inline with the chassis, so as it revs, the torque will translate into a slight left to right movement (clockwise)

The torque should however be largely negated by the flywheel which on the BMW rotates counter to the drivetrain producing an opposite torque.

SauRoNZA, I just don't understand how the torque produced can be crazy. The drivetrains of all 1200's is the same, barring perhaps different weights of the flywheels. So maybe, if the RnineT is made to rev easily (due to a super light flywheel) then ya. The bike itself isn't even that much lighter than a GS. And once you're moving it should be nigh impossible due to the huge angular momentum produced by the wheels. Next time I'm at the dealer I will enquire what the difference could be, there must be a piece of the puzzle missing.
 
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Balancing of the pistons is not relevant, it is the torque created by the driveshaft. This should however be largely negated by the flywheel which on the BMW rotates counter to the driveshaft producing an opposite torque.

SauRoNZA, I just don't understand how the torque produced can be crazy. The drivetrains of all 1200's is the same, barring perhaps different weights of the flywheels. So maybe, if the RnineT is made to rev easily (due to a super light flywheel) then ya. The bike itself isn't even that much lighter than a GS. And once you're moving it should be nigh impossible due to the huge angular momentum produced by the wheels. Next time I'm at the dealer I will enquire what the difference could be, there must be a piece of the puzzle missing.

Oh it's not a problem while you ride.

Like I said you only notice it when starting and from a standing stop going into motion.

Sort of at that "balancing point" where the bike starts to keep itself upright through momentum there is just that little twist that catches you out if you aren't use to it.

It's no problem at all, in fact I love it. Use to always make my Buell walk backwards for a laugh.
 
@Archer, agreed, nothing to to with piston weight. Everything to do with the direction the crank spins and where the fly wheel is in relation to that. On a standard engine the rotation is forward with the flywheel on the side of the engine opposite side of the clutch. So the momentum generated is not really noticeable. The boxer though the crank and fly wheel are mounted in a straight line between the two cylinders rotation is at a right angle compared to a normal engine. Thus when it pick up speed you will feel the momentum of all that weight being rotated in the direction of the rotation (being clockwise, it will felt on the right side).

So I would say it is the initial inertia that results in the "twist" as the torque overcomes the resistance to rotate, but once the engine is at speed or above that phase, it feels balanced.

Either way, I'm no engineer nor scientist, it works and feels great to ride. Thats all that is imortant :p
 
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Welp

Short of about R9k but got all my gear now :D

RST ventilator Jacket
HJC IS-17 Helmet
RST TracTech Gloves
RST TracTech Boots
CE strap on Back protector
XKulcha Kevlar Jeans (I hope the quality of this is good? Couldn't get a leather pants that fit well)


Now, to take beginner classes on Saturday, and hopefully next week...I get my bike! :twisted:
 
Never had a back protector in my life.

Also tend to compromise on pants (in summer) so I think those X-Kulchas will be just fine.
 
Quick question, where is your license disk supposed to be on the bike? Mine currently is under the pillion seat, but I fear that is incorrect...
 
Welp

Short of about R9k but got all my gear now :D

RST ventilator Jacket
HJC IS-17 Helmet
RST TracTech Gloves
RST TracTech Boots
CE strap on Back protector
XKulcha Kevlar Jeans (I hope the quality of this is good? Couldn't get a leather pants that fit well)


Now, to take beginner classes on Saturday, and hopefully next week...I get my bike! :twisted:

@Mike7 XKulcha jeans are bloody good. I Know a lot of BMW riders who use them.
 
Quick question, where is your license disk supposed to be on the bike? Mine currently is under the pillion seat, but I fear that is incorrect...

As long as its visible, just about anywhere on the bike. Mine is on the back break fluid reservoir bracket. The metal holders are nice, you can twist & bend them a bit to get them neatly into place.
 
Quick question, where is your license disk supposed to be on the bike? Mine currently is under the pillion seat, but I fear that is incorrect...

For many years I stuck mine on the back of the number plate with Sellotape.

Never had an issue.

On the Triumph I think it's hooked up to the left side passenger foot peg in one of those holders.
 
I see, so I'll need to make a plan when I get home. I'm just scared some idiot might want to remove it. I have one of that plastic twist off ones, so fairly easily to remove
 
I see, so I'll need to make a plan when I get home. I'm just scared some idiot might want to remove it. I have one of that plastic twist off ones, so fairly easily to remove
Mine was stolen off twice! :mad:
Both times in a proper holder secured to the frame. First type was the cheaper one where the lid screws on. Second one was those hexagonal ones where the disc is secured with 6 screws, they simply broke the whole holder off where it was fastened to the frame.
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So now I have it laminated and it sits on my speedo with prestik. When I stop at a shop etc. I take it with me.
 

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That's what I'm dead scared of. With that they can clone you number plate and cause endless trouble. And it's not always you going to check that the disk is still there, so you might get pulled over one day, and find you're in trouble
 
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