MyBB Motorcycle Owners Thread

[SauRoNZA]

The housing holding that cable looks like it too can be lowered to accommodate? No?

That’s what I thought too but there is no obvious way to go about it.

I think you need to rotate the whole throttle assembly as it’s all one piece.

Haven’t ridden it yet so will see if it needs more work after that.

Didn’t really feel a need to lower it further. Was just more of a balance thing as I needed to drop the clutch lever to provide some cable slack after fitting the risers.

 

[SirFooK'nG]

As for the GS forks, one needs to remember that they have a telelever setup, normally you have a triple clamp on the stanchions, GS's don't. The flawed design on the LC model GS is that the top section starts to get play, engineering limits were pushed a bit too far for the actual stresses that are being experienced in real world. This play eventually allows the stanchion to come loose. The final fix is a robust collar that will prevent that from occurring.

 

[Sinbad]

Highway, middle lane, no power, nowhere to go?
Overtaking, lose power, nowhere to go?
Make a right turn at an intersection, lose power, pray the oncoming car stops in time?
etc

Noted, thanks

/nervous

 

[Trompie67]

And you really think that if they simply fall out they wouldn't get pulled out during such an event? Come on...

Ah, I understand now. The belligerence is strong with this one! :erm:

No matter, back on your street corner soapbox where you feel justified.

Still keenly awaiting the pic of the forks that were bent at nearly 90 degrees & hadn't broken.

Plus the quotes where someone, anyone, said anything about flimsy?

 

[faniebraai]

Highway, middle lane, no power, nowhere to go?
Overtaking, lose power, nowhere to go?
Make a right turn at an intersection, lose power, pray the oncoming car stops in time?
etc

Yeh, was about to say.... you try and close your throttle mid corner and see what happens

 

[Archer]

Ah, I understand now. The belligerence is strong with this one! :erm:

No matter, back on your street corner soapbox where you feel justified.

Still keenly awaiting the pic of the forks that were bent at nearly 90 degrees & hadn't broken.

Plus the quotes where someone, anyone, said anything about flimsy?

I thought you would be able to understand that flimsy was not a direct quote :erm: Bad design, poor install, etc etc. Really now...
And the forks were farked, but the stanchion was still holding them... Hence my question, if the forks take that amount of abuse how come this bad/flimsy/poor/lethal/etc stanchion design still held onto the front suspension?

 

[SauRoNZA]

Noted, thanks

/nervous

On bikes, less so than on cars when ridden at the extreme closing the throttle is just as bad (if not more so) than opening it.

By and large because of weight distribution.

 

[Trompie67]

I thought you would be able to understand that flimsy was not a direct quote :erm: Bad design, poor install, etc etc. Really now...
And the forks were farked, but the stanchion was still holding them... Hence my question, if the forks take that amount of abuse how come this bad/flimsy/poor/lethal/etc stanchion design still held onto the front suspension?

Okey dokey. Nice escape.

Bad design - probably. Install at factory done correctly - as per spec. Bad spec though. Insertion of a bush (ie: create a tighter fit) "should" solve the problem. Would I personally trust my local dealer to press fit the stanchions & a new bush better than OEM? Erm, nodda you know what.

It appears that this is through repeated long term "hard use". I've a mate who has just clocked 180k km's on his GSA with no problems of this nature. Most riding done on tar, some dirt/gravel including a full tour around Namibia, certainly nothing hectic. On the opposite side have mates compete in the GS Challenge & another who hosts the Sabie GS Challenge, those bikes gets properly worked out in fairly extreme conditions (Red route most weekend warriors on their dirt bikes would battle!) and no problems.

So one then wonders what a suspension upgrade would do - like fitting Wilbers internals or replacement shock. Would be interesting to know if the bikes with the problem were stock, or if they had been upgraded. Another mate is a Wilbers supplier & fitment agent, & he's never had nor seen any instances of this nature.

 

[SirFooK'nG]

Okey dokey. Nice escape.

Bad design - probably. Install at factory done correctly - as per spec. Bad spec though. Insertion of a bush (ie: create a tighter fit) "should" solve the problem. Would I personally trust my local dealer to press fit the stanchions & a new bush better than OEM? Erm, nodda you know what.

It appears that this is through repeated long term "hard use". I've a mate who has just clocked 180k km's on his GSA with no problems of this nature. Most riding done on tar, some dirt/gravel including a full tour around Namibia, certainly nothing hectic. On the opposite side have mates compete in the GS Challenge & another who hosts the Sabie GS Challenge, those bikes gets properly worked out in fairly extreme conditions (Red route most weekend warriors on their dirt bikes would battle!) and no problems.

So one then wonders what a suspension upgrade would do - like fitting Wilbers internals or replacement shock. Would be interesting to know if the bikes with the problem were stock, or if they had been upgraded. Another mate is a Wilbers supplier & fitment agent, & he's never had nor seen any instances of this nature.

180K ?? on an LC GSA? (2013 -2017)

 

[Archer]

Bad design - probably. Install at factory done correctly - as per spec. Bad spec though. Insertion of a bush (ie: create a tighter fit) "should" solve the problem. Would I personally trust my local dealer to press fit the stanchions & a new bush better than OEM? Erm, nodda you know what.

Do you even know how the new part is being fitted? I bet not... Because if you did you would have trust in the procedure, they use some fancy tools to line it all up perfectly and get a proper crimp. So I guess if you don't trust someone to do something that simple sure, you have a problem. But this is another thing about this whole mess. First its BMW must do something RAWR!! When they do something, why did they sell bikes likes this, why didn't I know, why did it take so long RAWR... Now that they are actually installing the fix, the fix sucks, should be getting a complete new front suspension, the installers suck, RAWR... Forever shifting the goal posts

 

[Trompie67]

180K ?? on an LC GSA? (2013 -2017)

My bad - just checked with him. It's a November 2012, so still the oil cooled. He posted the picture on FB on Monday:

 

[Trompie67]

Do you even know how the new part is being fitted? I bet not... Because if you did you would have trust in the procedure, they use some fancy tools to line it all up perfectly and get a proper crimp. So I guess if you don't trust someone to do something that simple sure, you have a problem. But this is another thing about this whole mess. First its BMW must do something RAWR!! When they do something, why did they sell bikes likes this, why didn't I know, why did it take so long RAWR... Now that they are actually installing the fix, the fix sucks, should be getting a complete new front suspension, the installers suck, RAWR... Forever shifting the goal posts

Let's see - trust a part exchange expert (IMHO they are not mechanics - unable to strip & repair something as simple as a starter motor, they merely want to replace) to, in your words: " use some fancy tools to line it all up perfectly and get a proper crimp." One cannot even appy to be a mechanic anymore in ZA, now I must trust frikkie from fochville to " use some fancy tools to line it all up perfectly and get a proper crimp.' - essentially a precision engineering fit? F@rk no thanks.

I couldn't give a flying intercourse in a rolling ring donut about this - I do not own a beemer. I'm just shocked at the whole situation & the way they are handling it, and there is no way I would trust the fix. Obviously YMMV.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Let's see - trust a part exchange expert (IMHO they are not mechanics - unable to strip & repair something as simple as a starter motor, they merely want to replace) to, in your words: " use some fancy tools to line it all up perfectly and get a proper crimp." One cannot even appy to be a mechanic anymore in ZA, now I must trust frikkie from fochville to " use some fancy tools to line it all up perfectly and get a proper crimp.' - essentially a precision engineering fit? F@rk no thanks.

I couldn't give a flying intercourse in a rolling ring donut about this - I do not own a beemer. I'm just shocked at the whole situation & the way they are handling it, and there is no way I would trust the fix. Obviously YMMV.

So if they are just part exchange experts then surely there is even less to worry about as nobody is actually working on anything?

But I completely disagree on this point anyway.

The BMW Motorrad guys certainly know their story from what I’ve seen them get up to.

Even the Triumph boys did a full end to end engine rebuild which is rare these days.

Both brands support some ancient bikes where parts replacement just isn’t an option.

 

[Archer]

Let's see - trust a part exchange expert (IMHO they are not mechanics - unable to strip & repair something as simple as a starter motor, they merely want to replace) to, in your words: " use some fancy tools to line it all up perfectly and get a proper crimp." One cannot even appy to be a mechanic anymore in ZA, now I must trust frikkie from fochville to " use some fancy tools to line it all up perfectly and get a proper crimp.' - essentially a precision engineering fit? F@rk no thanks.

I couldn't give a flying intercourse in a rolling ring donut about this - I do not own a beemer. I'm just shocked at the whole situation & the way they are handling it, and there is no way I would trust the fix. Obviously YMMV.

For someone who doesn't care you sure talk a lot about things you know next to nothing about... :erm: Perhaps go into your local BMW dealer and check out the mechanics, they are far more knowledgeable and skilled than what you think, at least the two branches in CT are.

 

[Pox]

I miss my bike. Been home for 3 days in the last 3 months. Got to ride once.

However, I think I might be starting to miss not having ABS more than not riding it. Locked up rear while in traffic, almost locked front. It's hard not to panic-grip on the brakes.

Upgrade time?

 

[SykomantiS]

Try not to panic?

 

[Zuner]

Was riding the weekend, must've ridden over some oily substance or something. Managed to lock the back wheel, and then the front at the next stop street. Luckily I reacted quick enough not to fall.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Must say the risers have made a monumental difference to my regular comfort on the bike.

Just made the clutch lever a little too low so will need to adjust that again tonight.

All in all well worth the $129.

 

[Trompie67]

So if they are just part exchange experts then surely there is even less to worry about as nobody is actually working on anything?

But I completely disagree on this point anyway.

The BMW Motorrad guys certainly know their story from what I’ve seen them get up to.

Even the Triumph boys did a full end to end engine rebuild which is rare these days.

Both brands support some ancient bikes where parts replacement just isn’t an option.

Press fitting is not exchanging parts.

The only Triumph dealer I'd let touch my Daytona was Rupert's Bike Inn before it became fourways motorcycles, and Traditional Triumph. Traditional did a full engine rebuild on a friends Tiger 1050 a few years ago.

For someone who doesn't care you sure talk a lot about things you know next to nothing about... :erm: Perhaps go into your local BMW dealer and check out the mechanics, they are far more knowledgeable and skilled than what you think, at least the two branches in CT are.

So, speaking of things you know nothing about - how many bikes/cars/engines have you rebuilt/repaired? How many press fits have you undertaken? How many "fancy tools" have you worked with (and I promise, no matter what the SO says, yours is no more fancy than her previous SO). Please, don't hold back or be flimsy with the details now. After all, we need to know that you are knowledgeable when you make assertions, and not just a wally consumer who knows nothing but is easily impressed by shiny workshops and the sound of an impact wrench mixed in with the smell of degreaser.....

I've been to our local BMW dealer many times, I used to own a beemer.

There are 3 people I will trust to touch my bike 1 in Jhb - and 2 in Sabi. None of them are related to BMW.

To give you an example of how well dealers are prepared for maintenance on the brands they sell: a dealer that has been around for 40 years is unable (and does not have the necessary tools to do so) to replace conrod & it's bearing on certain models it sells & has sold in various guises for 20+ years. They ship it out to an engineering works to do.

 

[SauRoNZA]

To give you an example of how well dealers are prepared for maintenance on the brands they sell: a dealer that has been around for 40 years is unable (and does not have the necessary tools to do so) to replace conrod & it's bearing on certain models it sells & has sold in various guises for 20+ years. They ship it out to an engineering works to do.

Unable or unwilling?

I see no problem with them shipping it elsewhere especially when it’s a job that doesn’t bring in money for them as it’s done very irregularly.

Business exists for profit after all.