News server related queries

wikus

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I want to clear something up...

Does subscribing to Giganews have any benefits?

Are all Giganews's 'news messages' (I don't know what else to call it) listed on the SAIX news server?

So let's say you decide to load an entire news group's headers on the SAIX news server in your news reader (crazy), would it be exactly (or almost exactly) the same messages as you would get at Giganews? (I have heard that SAIX caches all Giganews's content, I may be wrong)
 

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I want to clear something up...

Does subscribing to Giganews have any benefits?

Are all Giganews's 'news messages' (I don't know what else to call it) listed on the SAIX news server?

So let's say you decide to load an entire news group's headers on the SAIX news server in your news reader (crazy), would it be exactly (or almost exactly) the same messages as you would get at Giganews? (I have heard that SAIX caches all Giganews's content, I may be wrong)

To subscribe to Giganews you need International Bandwidth and you have to pay a subscription fee (AstraWeb is actually cheaper than Giganews).

It runs way faster than SAIX usually full speed around 420 kb/s.

It has a much longer retention - 365 days.

And yes... everything you load up using SAIX would be exactly the same as Giganews (in fact SAIX is a mirror for Giganews albeit with much lower retention/smaller server size).
 

ld13

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It has a much longer retention - 365 days.

And yes... everything you load up using SAIX would be exactly the same as Giganews (in fact SAIX is a mirror for Giganews albeit with much lower retention/smaller server size).

Ain't SAIX also got the same retention as Giganews? But it is just limited by the cache/storage space/whatever -size... that is how I understood it.

Advantage of Giganews: Full speed 24/7 as far as I have seen.

@w.m I think they call it posts. ;)
 

LazyLion

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Ain't SAIX also got the same retention as Giganews? But it is just limited by the cache/storage space/whatever -size... that is how I understood it.

however you want to call it... stuff stays cached on Giganews for far far longer. On the order of months as opposed to hours.
 

LazyLion

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Hi
I have downloaded grabit and signed up for a usenet account, but when I downloaded a movie from nzbmatrix and unzipped it with grabit it took all my bandwith from my international account and nothing from my usenet account. What am I doing wrong???
Can anybody help me, please???
Thanx a bunch

Please let us know which Usenet News Server you signed up with and who your current ISP is?
 

woelig

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Usenet help

I subscribed to Giganews and use Axxess as my ISP. Didn't know about SAIX being free and local. Sorry :confused:
 

LazyLion

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woelig said:
I signed up with giganews and I am using Axxess as my ISP.

Um, Ja... Giganews is only accessible with International cap. Who told you that it was local? If you want a local news server to use after your international cap is used up, then you must use the SAIX server.

You should still be able to cancel your Giganews subscription (you have three day from sign-up or 10 Gigs to cancel).
 

wikus

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Does SAIX only list cached binary posts on their news server or do they list all posts, cached and uncached?
Basically, does cached posts get deleted from the server, or does the cache of the binary file 'attached' to the text post just get deleted?

Also, is there any way you can construct your own NZB's from a list of posts in your news client? Or does the nature of news servers require that you get a NZB from an external source to download the binary posts?
 

LazyLion

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Does SAIX only list cached binary posts on their news server or do they list all posts, cached and uncached?
Basically, does cached posts get deleted from the server, or does the cache of the binary file 'attached' to the text post just get deleted?

Also, is there any way you can construct your own NZB's from a list of posts in your news client? Or does the nature of news servers require that you get a NZB from an external source to download the binary posts?

There are no binary files on a news server, only text posts, that is why it is called a "News Server". It gets decoded back into binary on your computer when you have downloaded all the necessary text posts. There are no "attachments" only plain text files with lots of gobbledy gook.

"Cached" simply means that the News Server keeps the posts in it's memory rather than requesting the posts from another server.

You could probably assemble your own NZB, but it is a highly technical exercise and you would need some knowledge of how they work. Far easier to just search for what you are looking for that is already out there in NZB form. Some Web sites allow you to create NZB's from posts. Just google for NZB assembly.
 

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So basically if a post isn't cached, it won't appear on a news server until it is downloaded and therefore cached again.

I wonder how big our local news servers' cache is...
 

LazyLion

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So basically if a post isn't cached, it won't appear on a news server until it is downloaded and therefore cached again.

I wonder how big our local news servers' cache is...

yes. If the article is not locally accessible the NNTP protocol will request it from a "peer".

The cache on the SAIX server seems to be around 12 to 24 hours.
 

woelig

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Um, Ja... Giganews is only accessible with International cap. Who told you that it was local? If you want a local news server to use after your international cap is used up, then you must use the SAIX server.

You should still be able to cancel your Giganews subscription (you have three day from sign-up or 10 Gigs to cancel).

Thanks Gary
Tell me, can u also download movies from SAIX?
If this sounds like a stupid question, don't shoot!
 

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Good to hear that. Mine was also buggy the last two days. Got max of 150Kb/s, even on cached content.

Maybe the local caps have dried up too.

I was getting a max of 80kb/s on cached stuff :(

Some time my connection jumps up to 550kb/s :D
 

fbman

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Hi

Does anyone else have slow download speeds near the end of the month when download from news servers.

Last night I was getting around 60k a second on my 4 Meg Line, even these speeds are unstable, as the speeds go from 60k to 0k and then maybe 40k then back to 0k etc and it does not matter whether it cached or not.

It seems to be like this at the end of the month especially the last week. Then at midnight on the 1st of the month its like someone resets the line, my speed is stable at around 300k a second cached and 220k uncached.
 

somewherenotthere

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Hi

Does anyone else have slow download speeds near the end of the month when download from news servers.

Last night I was getting around 60k a second on my 4 Meg Line, even these speeds are unstable, as the speeds go from 60k to 0k and then maybe 40k then back to 0k etc and it does not matter whether it cached or not.

It seems to be like this at the end of the month especially the last week. Then at midnight on the 1st of the month its like someone resets the line, my speed is stable at around 300k a second cached and 220k uncached.

Have you read through any of the posts?:rolleyes:

close to the end of the month everyone tries to finish their extra bandwidth... causing problems
 

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This month have gone with Axxess 384 Uncapped Fibre and Astraweb.... Very nice so far.
 

jamezjunk

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First time I have tried leaving my connection on local into the new month with Telkom. It is actually nice because the lines are wide open for full speeds. Will leave it on for as long as it lasts. My only concern is that it will switch back to international in the middle of the night & I will wake up to find that I have used up all my international cap.
 

KSINGH

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First time I have tried leaving my connection on local into the new month with Telkom. It is actually nice because the lines are wide open for full speeds. Will leave it on for as long as it lasts. My only concern is that it will switch back to international in the middle of the night & I will wake up to find that I have used up all my international cap.

i dont understand. how does one do that? aren't you on a blended connection until your cap runs out.
 
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