Nokia N82 or Samsung Omnia

If u want a camera u can depend on and a phone that doesnt black screen of death every day, don't get the Omnia. It didn't hang at all in the first 6 days. The next 7 days was another story. [edit]Apparently this is a known issue where the screen goes into power saving mode but never wakes up again, hence the phone is on but you can't see anything! [/edit]

For low light pics, the camera totally sucks. That's my opinion.

If I want a decent low light pic I have to make sure I am not too close to the subject or else over exposure. I have to make sure I am as still as a statue and that the subject doesn't move a muscle.

Text input is a mission if u aren't sitting still or in a comfortable position.

The alarms are just plain annoying in terms of setting them up.

Lancelot's comments about touch screens not being mature yet for his liking are spot on, IMO, when it comes to the Omnia.

If u haven't used Windows Mobile before, that's another reason to avoid the Omnia. The s/w on the phone could be better.

There are things i like about the phone, but what I have mentioned is enough to give the advice of 'be wary of the Omnia'. If i had to go back in time with the Dalorean and Doc Brown (www.bttf.com reference) I would choose the N82, which by all accounts sounds like a rock solid phone.

Perhaps the Omnia can be an amazing phone if one spends time customising it, which I havent yet had the time to do. I've done some customising, but haven't installed much 3rd party apps other than Opera Mini[1] and GMail[2], neither of which work all that well on the Omnia!

[1] Not an Omnia specific version (Omnia not listed on Opera site).
[2] Kicks u out once u r logged in and then try to open an email.

EDIT: I feel sorry for all the non-IT people that are taking the Omnia deals from MTN/iTalk/Vodacom, etc... Good luck to them figuring out how to get the best out of this phone. P.S. I see iTalk's deal is now R265 per month, R10 less than last month, despite them saying the 'special' would be retracted after 31 Oct.
 
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Well, this is really making the decision even tougher. You mentioned a couple downers, but you got to admit there are some nice things about the Omnia...?

apparently there is a software update for the omnia now, so it may improve things...will have to try it.
iTalk are offering the E71 and E66 on the same package as the Omnia, I will ask if they can do the N82 aswell. If you do get voice nav for 2 yrs on N82, then thats great. Lancelot, what GPS voice nav software is it that comes with the N82?

What I really want in the phone is a voice nav decent GPS, browser, camera and email attachement support. I dont think any device at the moment has got the browser and email support thing working really well yet.
I think the Omnia may be offering a better browser, the 16GB storage and the Garmin Maps for life are a real plus, but other than that theres not a hell of a lot more to be found in the Omnia thats really better, except for 'prettier' or different UI? But saying that we now in danger of falling prey to a second wave of iPhone fanboois :) I'm just so bored of that same old Nokia look...sigh, but I guess if the device works better, I have to swallow the looks pill and keep using Nokia. Whats cool is the E66 does have Voip. I also see the new N85 comes with OLED screen? Will have to find out what it is really :)
 
Just to add something into the mix.... not really specific to Dudley and I'm sure not a deal maker for most but maybe of interest to those making similar decisions or those who own Symbian60 v3 devices.

I just discovered "Internet Radio". This is an application available for download under the "Download" application present on the phone. I had heard of it before but downloaded it this morning.

Basically once loaded this application gives you access to hundreds (literally!!) of radio stations around the world streamed directly to your phone. Now I am sure you could probably access these sites through your browser on your phone anyway but this application has them sorted by genre, country, language or "top stations". When you choose a station it then displays the currently playing song title and artist as well as a history of songs played since you have been listening....

Really awesome! Unlimited music to your phone....

The downside.... DATA COSTS!!! It streams at 16, 32 or 64kbps depending on your connection so listening for an hour could get costly.... the SOLUTION connect using your home wifi connection and have your own reggae/rock/folk/dance/blues/gospel/jazz/electronic... etc etc etc etc party!! :)
 
Well, this is really making the decision even tougher. You mentioned a couple downers, but you got to admit there are some nice things about the Omnia...?

apparently there is a software update for the omnia now, so it may improve things...will have to try it.

I found this : http://www.phonemag.com/samsung-omnia-i900-gets-software-update-in-singapore-084094.php so not sure if this is the one you are referring to? Perhaps Ryan can tell us what version he has on his phone.

Also on that link it makes no mention of camera improvement, and it may not be available on this country... i'd check all this before committing.

iTalk are offering the E71 and E66 on the same package as the Omnia, I will ask if they can do the N82 aswell. If you do get voice nav for 2 yrs on N82, then thats great. Lancelot, what GPS voice nav software is it that comes with the N82?

The voice navigation is with the preinstalled Nokia Maps (Smart2Go software). Obviously as with previous S60v3 devices you are able to load Garmin XT mobile as shown elsewhere on this forum.... but they both get you where you need to be! :)

What I really want in the phone is a voice nav decent GPS, browser, camera and email attachement support. I dont think any device at the moment has got the browser and email support thing working really well yet.
I think the Omnia may be offering a better browser, the 16GB storage and the Garmin Maps for life are a real plus, but other than that theres not a hell of a lot more to be found in the Omnia thats really better, except for 'prettier' or different UI? But saying that we now in danger of falling prey to a second wave of iPhone fanboois :) I'm just so bored of that same old Nokia look...sigh, but I guess if the device works better, I have to swallow the looks pill and keep using Nokia. Whats cool is the E66 does have Voip. I also see the new N85 comes with OLED screen? Will have to find out what it is really :)

Yeah tough decisions. I thought you were now deciding on a second phone? Or is this still the decision for your primary phone? You did not mention a camera at all in those needs and remember this is what the N82 does best.

I have to admit i do not use my phone for browsing much as the small screen gets me down so I choose my laptop for this! With data costs I also prefer to use my wired ADSL for emailing and browsing! When I get my wifi sorted then I'll probably make more use of email and browsing on my phone. But in saying this I have seen hundreds (well maybe not hundreds but a lot) of apps for email, browsing, wifi setup etc etc for the N82.

I was at Gateway the other day and went into the Apple shop and they had a real iPhone on display to play with (chained down of course! :) ) so I fiddled with it. I'm sorry to say that even the iPhone has nothing on browsing on a laptop with a decent size screen. Yes, I can see how people get caught up in the novelty of it (have you noticed how quiet the iPhone people have been recently? Novelty worn off...? ;) ) with the pinching of your fingers to zoom out etc but it still does not make it as useable as a normal computer. I'll have you know that in typing web addresses using the on screen keyboard I, on numerous occasions, pressed an "r" instead of a "t", for example, and I by no means have chubby fingers!
 
I found this : http://www.phonemag.com/samsung-omnia-i900-gets-software-update-in-singapore-084094.php so not sure if this is the one you are referring to? Perhaps Ryan can tell us what version he has on his phone.

Also on that link it makes no mention of camera improvement, and it may not be available on this country... i'd check all this before committing.
Not sure how to check my version, but i do have the smart reader (bunsiness card scanner) on mine.

Took some outdoor pics today, they look nice and clear on the Omnia screen, so i guess it's just low light pics that suck on this camera. It is difficult to see whats going on when in sunlight though. This is an issue with resistive touch screens I believe.
 
Well, this is really making the decision even tougher. You mentioned a couple downers, but you got to admit there are some nice things about the Omnia...?
I've found that the Omnia didn't live up to my expectations, and it's not like I was expecting the world. It's just not very polished I have found.

bar1 and some others seem to be very happy, so perhaps it is just me being pedantic about how a cell phone should and should not behave.

MTN have released new specials today (not updated on the website yet), and the range of choice just got better. Not gonna help the decision u will have to make :eek: But at least u will be spoilt for choice! :)

SE X1, N96, N85, etc... are there now.
 
I really think Nokia have done pretty much all you can do on a cellphone at the moment with their N-series phones. The ones coming out now really just seems to show slight tweaks, and not necessarily vast improvements, on previous phones. The case in point is the N96 and N85... they do not seem to add very much and in some cases (and again I will use the N82 as an example with the xenon flash :) ) they seem to have lost things.

My argument is that in such cases surely you will not bother spending the extra money on the latest if it does not do much more for you.... or is that just my way of thinking?
 
agree fully with u, lancelot.

am posting this frm my omnia via wifi. however, the wifi just stops workiing sometimes and then u waste ten minutes trying to get it back on...
 
I really think Nokia have done pretty much all you can do on a cellphone at the moment with their N-series phones. The ones coming out now really just seems to show slight tweaks, and not necessarily vast improvements, on previous phones. The case in point is the N96 and N85... they do not seem to add very much and in some cases (and again I will use the N82 as an example with the xenon flash :) ) they seem to have lost things.

My argument is that in such cases surely you will not bother spending the extra money on the latest if it does not do much more for you.... or is that just my way of thinking?

I agree, I was in there today and the prices for the N96 and N85 are high! Theres small changes but I think they've mainly just changed the look of the new phones to be a bit more solid eg e71 e66 n96, I viewed all of them today. Still weird how they took the xenon away.
 
agree fully with u, lancelot.

am posting this frm my omnia via wifi. however, the wifi just stops workiing sometimes and then u waste ten minutes trying to get it back on...

this would really piss me off, wonder how the N82 or E71 or any of the newer Nokias handle Wifi, they all use the same component.
 
holy crap i just read the specs and review for the i850, damn!
its getting feature pack2 symbian and runs Symbian OS v9.3, Series 60 rel. 3.2
any way of getting that running on the new Nokias? Looks damn nice.
includes Garmin maps for life, and honestly the specs really scream nokia reincarnate!!!!
this phones specs are seriously hectic!
 
Yip the N96 and N85 have feature pack 2

EDIT : I found this comment on GSM Arena interesting :

Nokia N96 runs on the Symbian 9.3 OS with Series60 3rd Edition user interface. Feature Pack 2 comes preinstalled, bringing both visual and performance improvements that we first saw in Nokia N78. In all fairness, the performance updates are also available to some FP1 devices through firmware updates, but there are still some goodies exclusive to FP2.
 
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i'm sure that OS can also run on the N82 etc? The specs and hardware are almost identical.
is it possible to upgrade the E66, E71, N82 to the newer version?
 
wonder what those goodies are? :) I think I'm starting to see some of the 'new' features of these handsets, but really now, we splitting hairs. but I must say, after reading the review and checking out the UI improvements on the new Symbian release, I think its really looking good and possibly worth the 359 for the N96. Although I do see your point about features etc from the previous posts, all I can say is that I'm now stumped for choice. Holy crap.
I know you would choose the N85, but whats really nice about the i8510 is the Garmin maps for life and 16GB storage. But, then again, as u mentioned u can get this happening on the N82 or N85 for that matter. We really are spoilt for choice, this is driving me insane.
 
Dudley if I read through the feature pack 2 "upgrades" mentioned on the N96 and i850 reviews on GSMArena, as well as this feature pack 2 review, I cannot see anything I do not have on my N82.

"The first thing to notice was the new Active stand-by screen, which now allows quick access to a lot more features" - Not sure what they mean by a lot more features, but I already have 6 customisable shortcuts on my active standby screen as well as being able to customise the two softkey buttons, meaning I can access 8 of my personally chosen favourite apps from the standby screen. I then also have the multimedia key and gallery keys to access these two functions directly.

"The gallery application is another innovation of the new feature pack - it has new looks and an improved browsing system" - looks identical to the one on my N82 which is different to the one I had on the N95

"The S60 UI Feature Pack 2 also enables tagging of your pictures" - N82 comes with geotagging. Obviously only tags when it gets satellite "signal" so often does not tag indoors.

"The new task manager also earns our praise " - I prefer to use a 3rd party app I loaded called "Handy Taskman" so can't comment on this.

So yeah, not sure what the extra goodies are that I don't have...




Something to add to help your decision... we are realising all these new phones can't do much more than an older phone can (like the N82 but I am sure others). Add to this the fact that you will now be paying a premium for these phones as they are new releases. Then also add the fact that we know that in a month or two they will no longer be the latest and the price will drop. You will then have tied yourself in for 2 years at a price higher than others will be paying in a short while. I have personally made a decision to never get the latest phone! The novelty of having the latest will only last a month anyway until the next latest comes along! :)
 
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yup, thats the practical approach and reasoning :) We often dont heed that because we want the latest and greatest :)
But I hear what you saying, after all, saving money is one of my major factors in this decision.
 
yup, thats the practical approach and reasoning :) We often dont heed that because we want the latest and greatest :)

Yip, and the cell companies only know this too well! :) Hence, what I personally feel, is the deliberate creation of waiting lists and the like! Make it seem like there is huge demand and people are willing to pay more to get their hands on that phone.
 
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