on road handling fees

Fazda said:
@crackersa - please calm down and start thinking this through rationally - my God if the Dealerships were able to control car prices in SA you would have a chaotic runaround of everyone trying to undercut the guy next door - come on!!

The price of cars in SA is dictated by TAXES - if we look at an imported car - the price is calculated by cost price in the country of origin, add to that, shipping costs, and your car lands in SA - NOW the BIG add takes place, as the government takes its slice of the pie - for example a Subaru Outback will land here for a touch over 300k - retail is 410 000 - the difference is entirely in the form of taxes - paraplegics can buy a new Subaru excluding all taxes except VAT and they save in the region of 100k per car.

Please don't go ranting a load of cr@p about something which obviously know nothing about.



Please note that the above taxes do not include other little government add on's, such as CO2 tax, just as an example. The people who are "exempt" would be the paraplegics that I mentioned before.
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LOL@calm down

listen, you can get better equipped cars in the US for nearly half the price then what you pay here. look at the examples. i compared entry level to entry level. 2.0lt vs 1.6lt and 2.5lt vs 1.2lt.

ok, so you noted taxes....but that doesn't even come up to the difference in cost between the models. there's still that gap on what you get for what you pay for.
 
crackersa said:
ummm..it really doesn't matter what exchange rate i used, i just wanted to show the constant variable. and wasn't it 8.5 not to long ago? showing it at 9.5 will just show a bigger gap.
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Bigger gap? Think again. Geez dude, seriously?

Say it is $10000 and R140000.

140000 - 85000 = 55000
140000 - 95000 = 45000

...and it obviously matters.
 
For you crackersa... @ a realistic R9.5 = $1


Kia Sportage 2.4L Auto:

US - $25700 -> R244150 + 36% for your government = R332044

SA - R351995 -> R20000 difference for ad valorem and higher VAT


BMW 320i Steptronic:

US - $32550 -> R309225 + 36% for your government = R420546

SA - R379000 -> Damn! Now you can spec it up with your R40k difference to the US standard spec, which is probably slightly better. I do not have time to check.
 
Why are we adding tax on the US retail prices?
Last I bought a car the non scam perfectly reasonable and justified on the road fee was 4.5 and I probably got about R300 fuel. The mats came with the car as it was second hand. I figured it wasn't that bad because most of the other places wanted like 6k. It's extra profit for the dealer at the end of the day, end of story.
 
rorz0r said:
Why are we adding tax on the US retail prices?
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Just for comparison. To illustrate that, if you imported the car, it would be more expensive. The car companies are not the reason for our high prices. Government is.
 
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So how do you explain the taxes on the cars built right here in SA? Aren't they building alot of VWs (and hell even Ford Rangers and BMWs), right here? Why aren't they cheaper?
 
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diabolus said:
So how do you explain the taxes on the cars built right here in SA? Aren't they building alot of Volkswagons (Ford too?) right here? Why aren't they cheaper?
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To compete with the highly taxed imported cars.
 
abzo said:
To compete with the highly taxed imported cars.
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So do they roll out of the factory with a standard markup? Or is that another type of tax? Because somewhere different people are getting the money. Taxes goes to government, not to the manufacturers, so who exactly are the local maunfacturers trying to compete against? The government?

In other words, if we say 40% import tax. Who gets that? If a Ford rolling out of a Pretoria Plant is marked up 40% "to compete" , who gets that?
 
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diabolus said:
So how do you explain the taxes on the cars built right here in SA? Aren't they building alot of VWs (and hell even Ford Rangers and BMWs), right here? Why aren't they cheaper?
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We already said this earlier in the thread...
 
Its complete BS and you should not pay for it.

I did my licensing on my last car myself valued at R500 000.

The roadworthy was R300 and this was the most time consuming bit.
I then went to one of those "que for you" places and for R 679.80 they went with my documents and sorted out my disc and plates for me, 10 minutes work on my side.

My car came with mats(As it bloody well should) and a full tank of petrol and it was cleaned, no payments.

I would say the only thing I scored with was the tank of petrol, thats a freebie , but the car must be clean and all the associated stuff must come with it.
 
bboy said:
Its complete BS and you should not pay for it.

I did my licensing on my last car myself valued at R500 000.

The roadworthy was R300 and this was the most time consuming bit.
I then went to one of those "que for you" places and for R 679.80 they went with my documents and sorted out my disc and plates for me, 10 minutes work on my side.

My car came with mats(As it bloody well should) and a full tank of petrol and it was cleaned, no payments.

I would say the only thing I scored with was the tank of petrol, thats a freebie , but the car must be clean and all the associated stuff must come with it.
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agreed
when I questioned a salesman about the on the road fee he said it also included a PDI fee
I just lolled
 
Oh pre delivery inspection... another bull****..how about you do a pre selling inspection and make sure your car is worth selling.
 
It does pay for the PDI, in the sense that every dealership's workshop handles the sales departments as they would any other customer. Internal rates, sure, but the sales department has to make a booking to have a car PDI'd just like you would to have your car serviced.

That being said, actually telling a prospective buyer that reeks of obfuscation and misdirection. :D
 
"On road" fees are, IMO another rip-off attempt to make more money.

What my father and I did to get our car on the road

1 - get a temporary license
2 - collect the car and take it for roadworthy
3 - take the roadworthy and papers to the licensing office
4 - with the new registration certificate, go to a number plate shop and get 2 plates
5 - fix the plates to the car
6 - drop off a copy of the registration at the dealer

Cost: Roadworthy - R 280,00.. Registration and 1 year's licence - R 515,00. Number plates R 230,00. Total R 1025.00. Total time spent doing this - 3 hours. Worst queue was at registrations (20 mins)
 
HapticSimian said:
It does pay for the PDI, in the sense that every dealership's workshop handles the sales departments as they would any other customer. Internal rates, sure, but the sales department has to make a booking to have a car PDI'd just like you would to have your car serviced.

That being said, actually telling a prospective buyer that reeks of obfuscation and misdirection. :D
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I dont think the customer should pay for this
If im selling something as new I make sure its 100% before I hand it over to you without charging you for it
 
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