Please help to save the springbok emblem...

[adelp]

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2407778,00.html


So.... you think they still ganna do it????

 

[DDV TECH]

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2407778,00.html


So.... you think they still ganna do it????

Well if he can say this:

"Minister, I want you to observe the arrogance of white people on the Springbok emblem," he said."

Then I can say that all black people are ignorant buffoons.

 

[kris860911]

Well if he can say this:

"Minister, I want you to observe the arrogance of white people on the Springbok emblem," he said."

Then I can say that all black people are ignorant buffoons.

lol.
Yea, I loved the blatent racism in this Jackass's comment.

 

[Pitbull]

Like I said, they can't change it even if they wanted to. This was just a publicity stunt /yawn. Now it looks like the ANC cares


lol

 

[HypoThesis]

Well if he can say this:

"Minister, I want you to observe the arrogance of white people on the Springbok emblem," he said."

Then I can say that all black people are ignorant buffoons.

I know you're trying to make a point that sweeping generalisations are kark but that aint cool.

I love the Boks like anything. I spend thousands on home tickets to their games (even traveling out of town sometimes) and am also going to follow them through their End of Year tour of the UK next month. I'm not white.

Similarly I love the Proteas, Bafana Bafana and Kaizer Chiefs. Grew up in a township, went to school in the suburbs. Just coz some stupid politician from a generation that's getting more and more out of touch with the New SA says one thing doesn't mean its true.

 

[DDV TECH]

I know you're trying to make a point that sweeping generalisations are kark but that aint cool.

I love the Boks like anything. I spend thousands on home tickets to their games (even traveling out of town sometimes) and am also going to follow them through their End of Year tour of the UK next month. I'm not white.

Similarly I love the Proteas, Bafana Bafana and Kaizer Chiefs. Grew up in a township, went to school in the suburbs. Just coz some stupid politician from a generation that's getting more and more out of touch with the New SA says one thing doesn't mean its true.

You understand exactly what I mean by that remark, but yet you still complain about it as if I meant it as a personal opinion aimed at you personally? Please have a nice day, and if we don’t talk again, don’t worry about it too much.

 

[adelp]

You understand exactly what I mean by that remark, but yet you still complain about it as if I meant it as a personal opinion aimed at you personally? Please have a nice day, and if we don’t talk again, don’t worry about it too much.

+100

 

[HypoThesis]

You understand exactly what I mean by that remark, but yet you still complain about it as if I meant it as a personal opinion aimed at you personally? Please have a nice day, and if we don’t talk again, don’t worry about it too much.

Hey, cool. Just saying just because our idiotic politicians say certain things sometimes reciprocating their actions just to show how stupid they are can also have the same effect. This country of ours is full of idiots, one of them might just see that statement and think you're being serious...especially considering the link to this same forum is now on that website which will most likely get a lot of publicity if the right strings are pulled.

I fully understood your point.

 

[DJ...]

I know you're trying to make a point that sweeping generalisations are kark but that aint cool.

I love the Boks like anything. I spend thousands on home tickets to their games (even traveling out of town sometimes) and am also going to follow them through their End of Year tour of the UK next month. I'm not white.

Similarly I love the Proteas, Bafana Bafana and Kaizer Chiefs. Grew up in a township, went to school in the suburbs. Just coz some stupid politician from a generation that's getting more and more out of touch with the New SA says one thing doesn't mean its true.

Kudos to you HypoThesis- nice to see...

 

[kris860911]

Hey, cool. Just saying just because our idiotic politicians say certain things sometimes reciprocating their actions just to show how stupid they are can also have the same effect. This country of ours is full of idiots, one of them might just see that statement and think you're being serious...especially considering the link to this same forum is now on that website which will most likely get a lot of publicity if the right strings are pulled.

I fully understood your point.

This is a good point

 

[DJ...]

I agree with HypoThesis here DDV - repeating mistakes is what our guavamint are doing. I kind of see what you meant by your statement but 2 wrongs don't make a right. I prefer to take the high ground on issues like that instead of reciprocating, although I too am guilty of it sometimes.

You don't see it from HypoThesis' point of view. When I read that statement I also felt a little uneasy, but I get your point and it isnt intended to be racist. But can still be construed that way. This is what I was talking about earlier in the thread - understanding someone else's position before writing out something that is intended to motivate. It can have the opposite affect if worded incorrectly, or in the case of a forum, lacking a few smileys...

 

[wizdumb]

Should have named the group: "We Will Kill for the Springbok eblem"

+1

GO BOKKE!

 

[DJ...]

Hi guys - please vote in the poll!!!! Thank you rpm for your support...

 

[daveza]

Can anyone give a supported answer to this:-

Do they just want to replace the emblem - the springbok - or do they want to change the name as well ?

What ever they change the emblem to, be it a protea, a beer can or an african potato, the team will still be referred to as the springboks.

The all blacks have a fern and the lions have a rose, but nobody calls the team the ferns or the roses.

I can't see the logic in calling every national team, cricket, rugby whatever, the proteas !

Are they seriously going to call Bafana Bafana the proteas as well ?

Puzzled?!

 

[DJ...]

I doubt they want to change the name, merely the emblem. However what is the point of changing the emblem based on emotions, principles and feeling if one is merely going to refer to them as the springboks - the very animal that seems to instigate such emotions, feelings and sense of principle from a few? It doesn't make sense at all.

Lets take NZ for example:

Black Caps = cricket - they wear black caps (I don't know the history and if there is more to it than that)
All Blacks = rugby - they wear all black. Its like changing their kit to red and calling them the all blacks - I assume there would be just as much of an outcry in NZ if this happened.

Local examples: The Lions - their emblem is a lion
Sharks
Cheetahs
etc etc

The protea means nothing to rugby. And rugby IMO should not be represented by a pansy, so to speak...

 

[HypoThesis]

Can anyone give a supported answer to this:-

Do they just want to replace the emblem - the springbok - or do they want to change the name as well ?

What ever they change the emblem to, be it a protea, a beer can or an african potato, the team will still be referred to as the springboks.

The all blacks have a fern and the lions have a rose, but nobody calls the team the ferns or the roses.

I can't see the logic in calling every national team, cricket, rugby whatever, the proteas !

Are they seriously going to call Bafana Bafana the proteas as well ?

Puzzled?!

From what I understand (and politicians are bloody hard to understand already ) they want the actual emblem removed. They say its a symbol of the connection the sport has with SA's history.

The only team that's called The Proteas are the cricket team although the national football team has a protea as an emblem too, they're not called The Proteas. Similarly the athletes who went to the Olympics, the junior football teams etc etc. I think the actual name, The Springboks is trademarked by SARU and will most likely be allowed to be used but the Bok on the shirt is what the politicians don't want.

EDIT: The British and Irish Lions don't have a rose, the English rugby team have a rose as an emblem (thats why the play like pansies ). The English cricket team have those 3 lions as an emblem.

 

[DDV TECH]

Hey, cool. Just saying just because our idiotic politicians say certain things sometimes reciprocating their actions just to show how stupid they are can also have the same effect. This country of ours is full of idiots, one of them might just see that statement and think you're being serious...especially considering the link to this same forum is now on that website which will most likely get a lot of publicity if the right strings are pulled.

I fully understood your point.

I agree with HypoThesis here DDV - repeating mistakes is what our guavamint are doing. I kind of see what you meant by your statement but 2 wrongs don't make a right. I prefer to take the high ground on issues like that instead of reciprocating, although I too am guilty of it sometimes.

You don't see it from HypoThesis' point of view. When I read that statement I also felt a little uneasy, but I get your point and it isnt intended to be racist. But can still be construed that way. This is what I was talking about earlier in the thread - understanding someone else's position before writing out something that is intended to motivate. It can have the opposite affect if worded incorrectly, or in the case of a forum, lacking a few smileys...

Be that as it may, everyone who read it understood the point I was making, and if you(in general) want to immediately assume that I was being racist just because I had a opportunity to be, them I’m sorry for that person. The point I was trying to make (however badly) is that there must not be two standards to racism, if it is ok for a politician (regardless of color or inelegance) to say all whites are arrogant, then it should be ok then for anyone (once again regardless of color and intelligence) to say something derogatory of black people in general. I consider none of the above statements as “OK”, and if I offended anyone, I am sorry, but it was really not intended to be construed as a remark meant at any person or group of persons.
In regards to the statement that this thread will be visible outside the forum, I agree and actually posted in the wrong thread to begin with, I will be more than happy to delete my post, not because it was racist, but because it can potentially damage this worthy cause.

 

[DJ...]

Be that as it may, everyone who read it understood the point I was making, and if you(in general) want to immediately assume that I was being racist just because I had a opportunity to be, them I’m sorry for that person. The point I was trying to make (however badly) is that there must not be two standards to racism, if it is ok for a politician (regardless of color or inelegance) to say all whites are arrogant, then it should be ok then for anyone (once again regardless of color and intelligence) to say something derogatory of black people in general. I consider none of the above statements as “OK”, and if I offended anyone, I am sorry, but it was really not intended to be construed as a remark meant at any person or group of persons.
In regards to the statement that this thread will be visible outside the forum, I agree and actually posted in the wrong thread to begin with, I will be more than happy to delete my post, not because it was racist, but because it can potentially damage this worthy cause.

Nah relax. After the second read over, I and anyone else with half a brain-cell will know that it was not intended to be racist at all, and I think HypoThesis got that point as well.

Deep breaths there spietkop...

BTW, the site is nearly ready to go live and the email has been composed...

BTW DDV - why are your pms and wall disabled?

 

[DJ...]

Here is the email that I have sent out. Please forward this to all of your contacts - thank you...

As many of you probably already know, plans to change our national rugby emblem from the springbok to the protea are in an advanced stage, after our government’s previous and numerous failed attempts. Every time this situation arises, we the fans speak out against it, mostly amongst ourselves and through the press on occasion. We speak with passion, we speak with pride and we speak united against what we believe to be a mockery of a proud part of our heritage as South Africans. Our voices have gone un-heard it seems - http://www.supersport.co.za/rugby/article.aspx?headline=Bok emblem up for discussion?&id=273340

It is time that proud South Africans, regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity and regardless of any basket in which you have been classed in to, speak out on a united front against this potential travesty. The voices of a few within the ANC ranks have sparked an outcry and fuelled emotional debate throughout South African communities and online forums, such as the well respected www.mybroadband.co.za. Here is one such discussion taking place at the moment: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=139467

It appears that our government has forgotten about the overwhelming feeling of unity we felt on the day that Francois Pienaar and President Nelson Mandela lifted the Rugby World Cup together in 1995. It seems they have forgotten the sense of unity we felt; the pride; the passion; and for the first time in our raindbow nation’s history, we felt acceptance and tolerance. It was a momentous occasion and one that will live with this writer for decades to come. The symbol that I remember that day by, is the Springbok emblem! I felt the same way when we lifted the trophy for a second time last year, alongside President Thabo Mbeki. I do not doubt for a second that both Thabo Mbeki and Nelson Mandela wore their Springbok jerseys with the same feelings of emotion and pride that we did, and continue to do. And I am adamant that I am not the only one that does not want that special moment taken away from us, or sentenced to eternity in a dust collecting museum. Whilst government believe that standardising the emblems will miraculously help in unifying the people, I feel that they have lost touch with the people and this move will in fact result in the exact opposite taking place. As a proud South African, I do not want to let that happen, and I hope you will join us in doing something about this.

What we ask, is that you visit www.savethespringbok.co.za and pledge your support for this worthy cause – and then to forward this email to all of your contacts. We will be updating the website with your views. We ask that you also visit the discussion on South Africa’s premier consumer activism forum and post your opinions relating to this topic, however you feel - http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=139467. Please be careful though – we do not want to tarnish this campaign with abuse and hatred as so often happens in our beautiful country. We therefore ask that you carefully word your opinions so that we can take this campaign all the way to the top, with the utmost respect.

We also plan to take civilised and peaceful action should the emblem-changing plans continue to move forward. This is likely to involve placards at the ABSA Currie Cup Final. We hope to hand these out for free at the stadium (whichever it may be), however this requires funding that we do not yet have. However to ensure peace of mind, we do not ask you to go to your pockets, we instead ask that those who can support this cause by utilizing resources at your disposal, whether they be printers, designers, high level, relevant contacts within the government etc to please contact us by using the following email: [email protected]

Lets stand together and make a difference, even if it is just to remind politicians how much the springbok emblem means to us. You don’t need to be a rugby supporter to do so either, as every single South African has felt the positive effect of the springbok.

Together, we CAN make a difference. But we need YOUR help!

Kind Regards

Proud Springbok Supporter – [email protected]

 

[bwana]

@DJK - is it savingthespringbok.co.za or savethespringbok.co.za? I suspect the latter but it might be that you havent registered the name yet.