Ramaphosa explains 'Boer' comment

STS said:
please PM me with any further complaints as to not derail the threads in future please
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This wasn't my complaint, another poster noticed it before me, and it's not the first time.
No doubt, others will notice it too.
 
STS said:
yes

In my conversation with a Seshego resident, I warned of the danger of the country going backwards(to apartheid where we had no vote), and used a term that has commonly been used by black South Africans to refer to the erstwhile apartheid regime(shoot the boer, to hell with afrikaans, etc)," he said in a statement.
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bolded bit is mine. it doesn't make it right, it's a translation and cultural error. it's how i took it. if you disagree then we disagree
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So it's okay to refer to a term that our Courts have deemed offensive?
 
Ninja'd said:
Actually Lance got banned for counting.
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I think he just received his final infractions in that thread, he had already accumulated a few for insulting others or "trolling"

Garyvdh said:
The key though is whether the poster actually believes that position or whether he is just doing it to be otherwise.
In both these cases I think it is the latter.
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Not in Lance's case though he actually believed the position. I used to be accused of trolling a lot for the same reasons, not so much these as I have come to realise that people on the internet do not change their prejudices and mindsets regardless of how many facts and evidence you throw at them.
 
Ninja'd said:
Actually Lance got banned for counting.
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I think he just received his final infractions in that thread, he had already accumulated a few for insulting others or "trolling"

Garyvdh said:
The key though is whether the poster actually believes that position or whether he is just doing it to be otherwise.
In both these cases I think it is the latter.
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Not in Lance's case though he actually believed the position. I used to be accused of trolling a lot for the same reasons, not so much these as I have come to realise that people on the internet do not change their prejudices and mindsets regardless of how many facts and evidence you throw at them.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
A translation and cultural error? Really, now? He's not a uneducated redneck. He knows exactly what he said, to who, and about whom.

You really need to stop trying to defend these clowns. Sometimes you can call a spade a spade. It was a scummy move and should be called as such, not a mere misunderstanding.
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i'm not trying to defend them, i'm nailing them where i feel they are wrong and letting go of what is unintentional. he was talking to "uneducated rednecks" as you put it. i said his argument is already stupid without the racial bit added, and people did not call him to task for what he WAS tryign to say to her, they called him on the racism bit. the entire argument was lost
 
"In my conversation with a Seshego resident, I warned of the danger of the country going backwards, and used a term that has commonly been used by black South Africans to refer to the erstwhile apartheid regime," he said in a statement.
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Ooops too late the cANCer and your cadres have already taken the country from a very possitive outlook in 1994 to very backwards in 2013.

You and your cadres are now racist.
 
So for anyone defending this Rama****a, I would ask you to consider the mirrored situation below:

1993, White vice president says to a resident. You must vote or these K's will take power.
How would that statement make you feel? How do you justify defending Rama, but not this hypothetical statement.

I must add that I am sure this statement was uttered and I find it a deplorable idea and statement to make. But I find Rama's statement just as deplorable. There might be less stigma attached to the word Boer, but the lack of stigma is made up by the level of the lie in his statement.
 
STS said:
i read it in the context of "shoot the boer", not actual people but the struggle. but that is what his explanation sounded like to me too, so if people think he is a racist, so what? he shouldn't be a politician
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He used the phrase "us". He made it an "us" vs "them" argument. His reference was to Afrikaans people, not the apartheid orchestrators. He is a world class moron for making such insanely racist comments.

BTW, I too was waiting for his explanation before commenting. Now that he's made it, all that he's said is that it's okay to group Afrikaans people together as boers, and that boers refers to people who support and want apartheid back.

What a toss...
 
STS said:
i was waiting for his explanation and refrained from commenting on the other threads because i thought it was being blown out of proportion. his argument was wrong and misleading, but it was unintentionally racist. it doesn't hurt to admit it wasn't intentionally racist, his argument was still stupid
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OMG...STS will be replacing Mac very soon as the ultimate ANC spin doctor.

Scenario:

ANC MP goes live on TV and says: "All whites are racist and will murder all black babies the night before 2014 elections"
STS says: "No, no, this is what he meant : < insert spinning here >"

Would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic and sad.
 
Damn, sorry, our mistake!

Wasn't there a word that "they" used to describe "them" as well... hmm, all these name throwing and all this misunderstandings.
 
Garyvdh said:
ANC deputy president Cyril Ramaphosa said on Tuesday it was unfortunate that his use of the term "boer" had caused offence.

"In my conversation with a Seshego resident, I warned of the danger of the country going backwards, and used a term that has commonly been used by black South Africans to refer to the erstwhile apartheid regime," he said in a statement.

"It is a term that continues to be understood in that way."

The Star reported on Monday that Ramaphosa had urged Limpopo residents to vote or the "boers" would take back power.

"If you don't vote, the boers will come back to control us," Ramaphosa apparently said in Seshego.
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O ok, and you do not see how this could instigate or perpetuate hate against a certain group of citizens?

Fscktard.
 
If 'boers' refers to the erstwhile apartheid regime, is Ramaphosa suggesting the National Government is still out there waiting to re-enter politics at the next elections ?
 
Wait aren't some of those 'boers' actually currently in power with the ANC. Guys like Kortbroek van Schalkwyk :erm:
 
I actually had a bit of respect for Cyril, but that is now gone. For good.

He is a piece of sh*t & can go to hell.

I will never ever use McDonald's in South Africa again, because this racist will be getting richer from my "boer" money.
 
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