Router Battery Backup

biometrics said:
Just get a 430m and 430p, same thing though a bit more expensive.
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I've been recommended to get the 430p via Communica to power my TP Link Archer C20 during load shedding, what else would be needed or will that be sufficient? Any feedback appreciated
 
GrootBaas said:
Busy scanning through this thread - have some catchup to do, but maybe someone can just help me with this. Generally do these things still make the irritating beeping noise that you can't switch off? Or is that not a thing anymore? For example the Ratel 430S.

Looking for a solution for a friend to just power a router, but it's a small flat so any beeping is going to drive you insane in that small space.
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One from geewiz is quiet.
 
K3NS31 said:
Edit: I am worried that the batteries won't be able to charge fully if we have frequent load shedding - but 18Ah is a lot of capacity, so hopefully it'll be ok.
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That's what I went for - even if it seems too expensive for a DIY solution... with 18Ah of capacity it should last years. (only had 3x2h runs with mine and no idea how far it discharged)
 
Ramok said:
TP Link Archer C20
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What's it's power consumption?

The 430P has the usual 5V USB , 9/12V DC but also a passive POE port. Why do you want that? You're likely better off with the 430M.
 
ld13 said:
Is that a PSU or a UPS? Looks like a power supply to me?
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K3NS31 said:
Yes, it says a 17Ah battery. One site said 17/18. I asked earlier in the thread and someone confirmed that 2x 9Ah (wired in parallel) should be OK. (that's what I already have).



Er...
OK, so the TAL price is quite high, I've seen it much cheaper at other places. Still need to find out about stock though. Will report back.
My worry with the more powerful options is that they're physically bigger. I don't have that much space, in fact I think I'll be pushing it with this device. Considering laying it flat and leaving the batteries outside. One battery will already need to stay outside probably (not sure how much bigger a single 17 is than two 9's.)

Also, that Ultratronics you linked is just a PSU. It's not gonna switch from mains to batteries when the power drops. Most of the CCTV PSU's that I've found so far DON'T do that. Which is really what I'm after. Otherwise I could just wire the stuff to the battery myself.
That's what I was originally planning to do, which is why I already have a battery (plus an extra I harvested from a UPS). But I would've had to manually switch over.
And of course, since it's made to use a battery, it also includes a charger.

Edit: I am worried that the batteries won't be able to charge fully if we have frequent load shedding - but 18Ah is a lot of capacity, so hopefully it'll be ok.
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Sorry, you guys are correct it is not a UPS. I looked to quickly.

There are however more powerful UPS units like http://www.ultratronics.co.za/index.php?route=product/product&path=54&product_id=229 that has a battery backup with 10A output that is still cheaper than the Takealot price. They don't give a lot of specs though.
 
What are the pros (seems it can be discharged deeper?) and cons (seems is given less current?) of a gel battery and can it be used in a UPS?

www.communica.co.za

BATT 12V8G FBT

Forbatt BATT 12V8G FBT Batteries 12V 8AH Gel Rechargeable Battery 151x65x94mm Sealed Gel Rechargeable Battery Specifications Nominal Voltage : 12V Rated Capacity (20hr Rate) : 8Ah Dimensions(mm) : 151 x 65 x 94 Weight : Approx. 5.09lbs (2.31kg) Capacity 77°F(25°C) 20hour rate (0.40A) : 8.0Ah...
www.communica.co.za www.communica.co.za

VS say the normal one below:
www.communica.co.za

BATT 12V9 FBT

12V 9AH Lead-Acid Rechargeable Battery • L=151 W=65 H=100mm
www.communica.co.za www.communica.co.za
 
supersunbird said:
What are the pros (seems it can be discharged deeper?) and cons (seems is given less current?) of a gel battery and can it be used in a UPS?

www.communica.co.za

BATT 12V8G FBT

Forbatt BATT 12V8G FBT Batteries 12V 8AH Gel Rechargeable Battery 151x65x94mm Sealed Gel Rechargeable Battery Specifications Nominal Voltage : 12V Rated Capacity (20hr Rate) : 8Ah Dimensions(mm) : 151 x 65 x 94 Weight : Approx. 5.09lbs (2.31kg) Capacity 77°F(25°C) 20hour rate (0.40A) : 8.0Ah...
www.communica.co.za www.communica.co.za

VS say the normal one below:
www.communica.co.za

BATT 12V9 FBT

12V 9AH Lead-Acid Rechargeable Battery • L=151 W=65 H=100mm
www.communica.co.za www.communica.co.za
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I've been looking into putting a LiFePo4 battery in instead. I figure if you're going to be upgrading the battery might as well do it properly
 
furpile said:
There are however more powerful UPS units like http://www.ultratronics.co.za/index.php?route=product/product&path=54&product_id=229 that has a battery backup with 10A output that is still cheaper than the Takealot price. They don't give a lot of specs though.
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Seems to be quite a generic unit. Getting multiple spec sheets out there for the exact same unit. e.g. https://www.bydemes.com/Admin/Productos/pdf/SAM-3583_data_sheet_en.pdf

I pick up 60W and 120W variants. The one piece of information that is lacking now, is the charge current.

Speedster said:
I've been looking into putting a LiFePo4 battery in instead. I figure if you're going to be upgrading the battery might as well do it properly
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They require a different charger, don't they?
 
If you can program the UPS to charge to a higher voltage, yes
If not, it won't charge much above 85% state of charge
 
chrisc said:
If you can program the UPS to charge to a higher voltage, yes
If not, it won't charge much above 85% state of charge
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You seem knowledgeable, able to answer this one?

supersunbird said:
What are the pros (seems it can be discharged deeper?) and cons (seems is given less current?) of a gel battery and can it be used in a UPS?

www.communica.co.za

BATT 12V8G FBT

Forbatt BATT 12V8G FBT Batteries 12V 8AH Gel Rechargeable Battery 151x65x94mm Sealed Gel Rechargeable Battery Specifications Nominal Voltage : 12V Rated Capacity (20hr Rate) : 8Ah Dimensions(mm) : 151 x 65 x 94 Weight : Approx. 5.09lbs (2.31kg) Capacity 77°F(25°C) 20hour rate (0.40A) : 8.0Ah...
www.communica.co.za www.communica.co.za

VS say the normal one below:
www.communica.co.za

BATT 12V9 FBT

12V 9AH Lead-Acid Rechargeable Battery • L=151 W=65 H=100mm
www.communica.co.za www.communica.co.za
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supersunbird said:
What are the pros (seems it can be discharged deeper?) and cons (seems is given less current?) of a gel battery and can it be used in a UPS?

www.communica.co.za

BATT 12V8G FBT

Forbatt BATT 12V8G FBT Batteries 12V 8AH Gel Rechargeable Battery 151x65x94mm Sealed Gel Rechargeable Battery Specifications Nominal Voltage : 12V Rated Capacity (20hr Rate) : 8Ah Dimensions(mm) : 151 x 65 x 94 Weight : Approx. 5.09lbs (2.31kg) Capacity 77°F(25°C) 20hour rate (0.40A) : 8.0Ah...
www.communica.co.za www.communica.co.za

VS say the normal one below:
www.communica.co.za

BATT 12V9 FBT

12V 9AH Lead-Acid Rechargeable Battery • L=151 W=65 H=100mm
www.communica.co.za www.communica.co.za
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I've been trying to figure that out - I think Gel batteries need different chargers.
Speedster said:
I've been looking into putting a LiFePo4 battery in instead. I figure if you're going to be upgrading the battery might as well do it properly
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It looks like these may be a better option - but don't know about the charger. I do know they charge faster than SLA or Gel, cos they're Lithium based. And much better DoD (80%...?)
 
K3NS31 said:
I've been trying to figure that out - I think Gel batteries need different chargers.

It looks like these may be a better option - but don't know about the charger. I do know they charge faster than SLA or Gel, cos they're Lithium based. And much better DoD (80%...?)
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I spoke to the supplier yesterday and he says they should work with an adjustment to the battery parameters. I'm going to fire up the software on mine to see if that is possible.

As you say, much faster charging, significantly deeper DoD, more cycles per battery (and they're much lighter).
 
Speedster said:
I spoke to the supplier yesterday and he says they should work with an adjustment to the battery parameters. I'm going to fire up the software on mine to see if that is possible.

As you say, much faster charging, significantly deeper DoD, more cycles per battery (and they're much lighter).
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pricey tho. TAL has one for a grand but I it's the same AH as a 350 ish SLA. (8 or 9 I think. Can't remember).
Would definitely go for it if I was trying to power my whole house though. Better DoD would make up for the higher price.
 
K3NS31 said:
pricey tho. TAL has one for a grand but I it's the same AH as a 350 ish SLA. (8 or 9 I think. Can't remember).
Would definitely go for it if I was trying to power my whole house though. Better DoD would make up for the higher price.
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Definitely more pricey. I figure the basically double capacity (due to DoD), faster charging time and increased lifespan sort of make up for the price.
 
Anyone tried to do a DIY power backup for their router using a powerbank with quick charge (12v)? Looks doable:
looks like those triggers are sold on Bid or buy...
 
Daruk said:
Yes I believe so.
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The terminology is a little misleading. I believe there are some differences between Gel, AGM and flooded lead acid batteries. I suspect the 'normal' sealed lead acid batteries are those that are typically used for alarm systems, gate motors etc and these are not the same as an AGM version of similar capacity in terms of recommended charge rate/voltage, charge cycles, DoD and installation orientation, among others.
 
riscbroker said:
The terminology is a little misleading. I believe there are some differences between Gel, AGM and flooded lead acid batteries. I suspect the 'normal' sealed lead acid batteries are those that are typically used for alarm systems, gate motors etc and these are not the same as an AGM version of similar capacity in terms of recommended charge rate/voltage, charge cycles, DoD and installation orientation, among others.
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I thought AGM was Gel. Doesn't the "G" stand for Gel?
 
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