Royal Prank Nurse

APoc184 said:
Prove it! You are speculating just as much as the media.

If you took the time to read all the posts in your own thread you would notice that they have indeed been removed from air.
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I don't have to prove anything. The facts speaks for themselves.

This is what your hero have said. And this is enough for me to stand by my words.

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment...rn-sour-for-ambitious-djs-20121208-2b2b4.html

"UP UNTIL Friday night, radio host Michael Christian had been bragging about the notoriety he and his co-host Mel Greig had garnered for their royal prank."

''The only bad thing about our Royal Prank and [sic] is knowing that I will NEVER EVER top this,'' he told his Facebook friends. ''Less than a week in the job & I've already peaked.''

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They have not been removed from the air, it was a joint decision between them and management. And they have not been fired, it is only until further notice. I want them off the air completely and permanently.

"SCA and the hosts have decided that they will not return to their radio show until further notice out of respect for what can only be described as a tragedy."
 
CommonSense said:
I don't have to prove anything. The facts speaks for themselves.

This is what your hero have said. And this is enough for me to stand by my words.

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment...rn-sour-for-ambitious-djs-20121208-2b2b4.html

"UP UNTIL Friday night, radio host Michael Christian had been bragging about the notoriety he and his co-host Mel Greig had garnered for their royal prank."

''The only bad thing about our Royal Prank and [sic] is knowing that I will NEVER EVER top this,'' he told his Facebook friends. ''Less than a week in the job & I've already peaked.''

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They have not been removed from the air, it was a joint decision between them and management. And they have not been fired, it is only until further notice. I want them off the air completely and permanently.

"SCA and the hosts have decided that they will not return to their radio show until further notice out of respect for what can only be described as a tragedy."
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What facts?

Did the nurse write a letter saying that she is going to off herself because some Ozzie DJs with horrible British accents fooled her into transferring a call to another nurse?

My hero? :rolleyes:

Stop making up "facts" as you go along
 
APoc184 said:
What facts?

Did the nurse write a letter saying that she is going to off herself because some Ozzie DJs with horrible British accents fooled her into transferring a call to another nurse?

My hero? :rolleyes:

Stop making up "facts" as you go along
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APoc184. I don't know who you are and I don't particularly care really. I just find it very telling in the way in which you are trying to support the actions of these two. I don't disagree with you that the British press also carries a lot of the blame, but they would never have tried this stunt after the News of the World debacle. So they jumped upon the platform opened by these two from down under.

From what I can tell however about our exchange is that I don't want to be part of your circle of friends. Wish there was an 'unfriend' on MyBB ;) I am in no doubt that you feel the same way about me. So no harm there.

I acknowledge your views, but I disagree strongly.

I'm not going to spend a whole Saturday going to and fro with you, so I will leave it here (with you). I think that others who read the thread up to this point have the same view as I have. I also unfortunately know there would be others who share your views. That makes this planet both interesting to live on and scary at the same time.

I bid you farewell as I CHOOSE not to continue in this 'debate' with you. I've said my say to you and will now let our energetic interchange of views take a well deserved rest.
 
CommonSense said:
APoc184. I don't know who you are and I don't particularly care really. I just find it very telling in the way in which you are trying to support the actions of these two.
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I know you don't care. That is why you make assumptions about who my heroes are :)

Please show me once where I have supported the Ozzies? (Don't go on my Twitter because I might have supported them against New Zealand once)

I think that others who read the thread up to this point have the same view as I have.
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More assumptions.

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I stick by my initial post.

Apoc184 said:
I understand the anger but I don't believe for one moment that this was the main cause for her suicide.

She must have had other problems that caused severe depression and perhaps this just pushed her over the edge.
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@apoc
Someone has died as a result of the incident, regardless of what you think, you have no idea what it was like to be in the dead person's shoes. The media and her immediate superiors were on her case. You might be thickskinned enough to carry on through the issue, she wasn't. To me, that's murder...
 
Why this prank crossed the line
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/why-this-prank-crossed-the-line-20121208-2b209.html

Idiotic pranks are almost as old as radio itself, a tried and tested staple of the commercial breakfast market, replicated to exhaustion the world around.

Australia does not have a monopoly on them, though ours seem, when they go wrong, to be the most egregious.

Teenage girls tied to lie detectors and questioned about their sex lives, school students weeping when told - untruthfully - they have failed their HSC and now the death of a British nurse who was the victim of an Australian radio station prank aimed at the Duchess of Cambridge.
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The line between black humour and offence is difficult to measure, perhaps necessarily so. As a culture, we wrestled with that very question when The Chaser broadcast a sketch which seemed to mock dying children. In fact, it was aimed at charities, though in the aftermath the finer detail was lost.

So when does funny become offence? In the motive? When the target is a vulnerable member of society, such as a teenager, or in the case of the Duchess of Cambridge, a pregnant woman being treated in hospital and the staff caring for her?

Or when, as has happened in this case, subsequent events have overtaken the original stunt?

The truth is we may never know. Nor fully understand.

And yet there has to be a line in the sand. A measure by which a sensible society sets limits to protect the vulnerable from such pranks and, in a modern society, the media fallout which inevitably follows them when they go wrong. The latter, in particular, is a major issue at play here.

The events themselves - an embarrassing prank call and its humiliating aftermath - are not so terrible when looked at in isolation. They happen often, usually with no significant consequences.

But in 2012, and in a society ruled by social networks and the excoriating kangaroo court of the Twitterverse, the aftermath can too easily snowball into something far more sinister.

And that is where the real responsibility of radio stations sits. Michael Christian and Mel Greig were hardly motivated by a desire for such an extraordinary, and tragic, outcome. They will wrestle with these events for many years to come, perhaps for the rest of their lives.

Now we are grappling not just with the death of the nurse, Jacintha Saldanha, but a fiery blowback against the pranksters, Christian and Greig. All of it risks turning into a cyclone of blame from which there is rarely any useful outcome, except to fuel talkback and tabloid media.

The King Edward VII hospital prank is not funny. It wasn't funny when it was played. Not for some hand-wringing sense of righteous judgment, but simply because one of its targets - a mother to be whose pregnancy was causing so much discomfort that she had to be hospitalised - was so vulnerable, and its effect - to have details of her medical condition broadcast on radio - was an appalling breach of privacy.

What holds a civilised society together is an understanding of action and consequence, a duty of care to each other that allows some elasticity for fair mischief and good humour, but does not contravene a handful of basic tenets: humanity, dignity, compassion, respect.

There is a lesson in all of this. Commercial radio, and perhaps the media at large, would do well to learn it.
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APoc184 said:
Murder?

Now you are losing the plot.
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I assume, like the good detective you are, by not even bothering to show who you are responding to, yes, I do mean murder. Manslaughter, 3rd degree, whatever, someone is dead as a direct result of that phone call.
 
Sad story. I think the media as a whole is to blame here. I dont understand what the hype is with the royal family. I would hate being them and not having any privacy. It is not like they chose to be famous (not that I think they should be). Was it not for the media being so royal-family-begotted-in-the-head no one would have bothered making pranks calls and so called leaked information (really?) would not be a big deal. The "prince" of england/wales whatever, who does nothing of importance other than stuff which are made to be important because of who he is, well his wife is pregnant and had some morning sickness. Get over yourselves.

The nurse who committed suicide...sad but also a bit extreme. The prank call alone cant be blamed for this.
 
CommonSense said:
APoc184. I don't know who you are and I don't particularly care really.
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Well, that's rather nice. ;)

Sorry CommonSense, but I'm afraid that just calling yourself that just doesn't make up for your lack thereof. I watched the vid and was waiting for the punchline which never came.

If someone is going to kill him or herself over getting pranked, then there was serious mental issues to start with as many other posters have said.

The rest of your post to Apoc (and others before) are rather disrespectful and arrogant. Calling the two callers MURDERERS is pretty ridiculous. The nurse needed to see a psychiatrist, but instead she "opted out". :confused: Let's be honest here, committing suicide is taking the easy way out - although that statement is leaning towards something from the PD section.

If you just take the very basic facts:
A prank was played. Someone died.

I can't fault anyone for thinking the pranksters should suffer serious consequences, but listening to the exchange and then noting that the person who got fooled into thinking that the caller is the Queen went to kill herself because other people heard it?

It's a truly sorry affair, but the DJ's simply cannot be held responsible imho.
 
joelus said:
You don't prank call a hospital - ever, it's not right and it's not funny. There is no initiative shown, just stupidity. Let's phone the fire department and report a non existent fire while we're at it or call an ambulance out to a non existent address, so funny
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Not the same. They didn't phone the hospital to tell them there was a fake accident around the corner, they should send an ambulance silly. They inquired about the health status of the princess.
Personally I think the nurse ,if she DID commit suicide because of this, went over board. You don't commit suicide over k@k like this
 
pampoenskyf said:
Not the same. They didn't phone the hospital to tell them there was a fake accident around the corner, they should send an ambulance silly. They inquired about the health status of the princess.
Personally I think the nurse ,if she DID commit suicide because of this, went over board. You don't commit suicide over k@k like this
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+1
 
Conack said:
Well, that's rather nice. ;)
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*sigh* Common sense is so hard to find these days. (i feel a sad now)

If you read my posts you would have seen that I called for them to be fired as there should be consequences to everyone's actions, whether it is intentional or not. Everyone is always up in arms when a politician does something which isn't ethical, then everyone wants them to be fired (impeached) immediately. Why is this not so with these two?

What this world needs most is for people to take responsibility of their actions. I've explained this before, and perhaps that is why I appear to become somewhat 'arrogant'.... I know their intentions were not to have someone die due to their stupid prank, but still, what they did was not ethical in the circumstances. They should have known better and thought about the consequences of their actions, instead of just going ahead and invading a special bond between caregiver and patient/patient's family. They should also have foreseen that the British Press which everyone knows is gagga about the Royals would make a huge story out of this. And they should have realized that these nurses could have gotten into a lot of trouble. I think that part is indisputable if you have a bit of common sense to draw upon. Personally, I think they did think about these issues and still decided to go ahead. Why did they ask the opinion of a lawyer? Just to make sure that they were not 'technically' breaking any laws. So they probably knew that this was potentially harmful. So they did this all in the name of ratings for their show.

I've heard numerous persons all over who long for a time past, when people took responsibility when things went pear shaped. It was the honorable thing to do.

Think on this:
1) Impersonating another person to get information is not ethical (in fact it is illegal)
2) Invading the privacy of a person who is in distress due to a pregnancy is not ethical.
3) Making a recording of someone and then playing it over the radio without them consenting is not ethical. (It is illegal in SA)
4) They should have known that this would spread like wild-fire. Why did they keep on punting their stupid joke until shortly after the woman committed suicide. Their best prank ever.
5) They should have realized that they were affecting a professional person and was putting her at risk for losing her job over this.
6) They should have known that the British Media would catch onto this breach into security like vampires. (We may not like it, but in Britain, the Royals are well.... Royalty)
7) It does not take much thinking to come to the conclusion that this poor person's live must have become a living hell. There would have been repercussions at work. Whether official of not.
8) This poor woman's professional image was tarnished. Do you think she would have had any change of furthering her career after this?
9) The UK Health Professions council would most likely later on have gotten involved too, which would have been added stress to her.
10) The press would have hounded her.
11) Everywhere she went she would have been recognized as the 'one who got duped by pranksters'.

If you take all that into consideration, then you must realize that for a person who did not seek the limelight, and were by nature a caring person, this burden might have become too much to bear. Taking your own life is NOT an easy solution. It takes more guts than you would ever know.

Now read this, this is not what I am saying, but what someone who nearly committed suicide said:

"Scott Ford : As a person who has himself attempted suicide in the past, I can picture all too clearly the distress that Nurse Jacintha must have been going through. Looking after the health of the future queen must have been one of the proudest moments of her life. An experience that she would have treasured until old age. She probably imagined being able to tell her future grandchildren about this great responsibility that had been entrusted to her. And then two brainless idiots thousands of miles away, through just one phone call, brought her whole world shattering down. Suddenly she was humiliated & shamed for letting the call go through. It may have been a scratchy line. Maybe she went into mild shock when she thought that the Queen was speaking to her. But she transferred that call, and was thus marked forever (in her mind) as being gullible. She probably saw herself being excluded from future positions of trust, despite what her bosses said. And in her state of emotional distress & perceived shame, she decided that the only way out was to take her own life. I almost feel like saying that I hope the 2 DJs from 2DayFM take the same path as Jacintha, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. Perhaps they will instead become more thoughtful & caring of others, and do constructive things in society instead of relying on humiliating innocent people for their kicks. But my thoughts today are only with Jacintha's family & colleagues. May that good lady rest in peace. "

I don't know. I think I make sense.
 
The British Press and TV news channels must take some blame they probably analysed the event over and over
telling viewers and readers how could this nurse disclose such private details. The media crucified this lady making
her life a living hell they must of made her feel so worthless and a disgrace to her nursing profession. Her only way
out of the shame was to take her own life.

Look at the South Africa position now Nelson Mandela in Hospital who will be camping outside the world media but the British media will try take centre stage. All the time proposing the what-if's Will he die what will happen to SA will our constitution hold tight evacuation plans for British citizens.
 
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