SA Politics Thread Part 11: The GNU Normal

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TheChamp said:
Just like you are able to justify being in an alliance with the ANC, the PA supporters can also do the same thing just fine.

There is no sign that the PA growth has slowed down after the GNU as you have seen how they have been thrashing the DA in by elections, yes, rural or not rural it doesn't matter. In fact just after they voted for a VAT increase, they went on to take a ward from the DA in Joburg after you all swore the voters are going to punish those who voted for a VAT increase.

I think you just need to admit they are a formidable opponent and deserve to be respected instead of being dismissed.
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Nothing matters, except DA bad, let us know when you want to convert and bow down to Zille, there is still time to save you.
 
Inertia said:
It's quite funny to see how firmly the DA has the ANC by the balls. Who feels like digging through the garbage posts telling us that the DA's threats were laughable?

The ANC is unable to fire the DA from the GNU, so they now basically act as the official opposition while being in government. And they are easily 1000x better at their portfolios than the other parties and this is splashed over the news everyday. The only thing that could have saved the ANC was the Statement of Intent which would have neutered the DA and kept them quiet. But ANC chose violence. Electoral heaven

www.dailymaverick.co.za

DA to support Appropriation Bill 'in the national interest' after Nkabane axed

The DA is meeting to discuss its options before Wednesday’s vote on the Appropriation Bill now that one hurdle – Nobuhle Nkabane – is out of Cabinet.
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Like I said last night, they'd probably back everything now, as they got what they wanted. I wonder what Ms. Quaanitah will say now...
 
TheChamp said:
Just like you are able to justify being in an alliance with the ANC, the PA supporters can also do the same thing just fine.

There is no sign that the PA growth has slowed down after the GNU as you have seen how they have been thrashing the DA in by elections, yes, rural or not rural it doesn't matter. In fact just after they voted for a VAT increase, they went on to take a ward from the DA in Joburg after you all swore the voters are going to punish those who voted for a VAT increase.

I think you just need to admit they are a formidable opponent and deserve to be respected instead of being dismissed.
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I like how by-elections suddenly count now...
 
You just know ANC WC is properly ****ed, when they have no choice but to reappoint the guy who led them to losing WC in 2009... Also, special mention of Brown, who helped out Zuma at the SOEs...

  • The ANC’s national leadership has proposed dissolving its Western Cape structures and electing new leadership.
  • Over the weekend, the party’s top leaders visited the province ahead of the local government elections to address challenges.
  • Names punted for top leadership positions include Ebrahim Rasool, a former US ambassador, and Lynne Brown, a former public enterprises minister, who was linked to a Gupta-led state capture scandal.
The ANC’s national leadership has proposed dissolving its Western Cape structures.
The party’s top brass descended on the province at the weekend for a high-stake intervention ahead of the local government elections next year.
On Monday, the ANC’s national working committee (NWC) convened to reflect on the visit and consider the party’s future in the province. Among the proposals tabled was the dissolution of the provincial executive and the election of new leadership.
News24 understands that some of the names punted to lead the province included former ambassador to the US Ebrahim Rasool, as well as former public enterprises minister Lynne Brown.

This is not the first time Rasool and Brown’s names have come up as possible candidates to assist the embattled province.

Last month, the ANC hosted a strategic caucus planning session, which both were invited to attend.
The session was aimed to improve the party’s ability to hold MECs in the DA-run Western Cape government accountable and to identify weaknesses in the province’s leadership.

Brown, one of the key speakers at the session, shared insights on how to leverage the rules of the provincial legislature to strengthen oversight.
Over the weekend, ANC secretary-general Fikile Mbalula said the party’s leadership was in the Western Cape as part of the ANC NWC’s routine work of visiting provinces.
“We are looking at the state of the organisation and to address the challenges our comrades are faced with and to strengthen the ANC in the Western Cape.”
The party received several reports from structures across the province during the visit.

Mbalula added that the party was now processing the reports and would use them to shape a new strategy for the provincial ANC.
On Tuesday, the ANC’s national spokesperson, Mahlengi Bhengu-Motsiri, told News24 that the visit report was still being compiled and processed.
The party has been losing ground in the Western Cape, a DA stronghold, and is eager to rebuild its base in the coming months.
In the 2021 municipal elections, the ANC garnered only 20.92% of the provincial vote – a drop from 26.83% in 2016. The provincial ANC has been working to reverse that decline.
ANC provincial spokesperson Khalid Sayed said the ANC welcomed the NWC’s visit.
He said:
We look forward to the outcomes of the visit and interventions, which will be communicated.

President Cyril Ramaphosa was deployed to Mbekweni, near Paarl, on Saturday to address ANC structures.
Ramaphosa told Boland region members to emphasise the need for the party to “reconnect with communities on the ground” and to carry out the party’s “commitment to renewal and revitalisation in the Western Cape”.
Both Brown and Rasool have had their fair share of drama.
In Brown’s case, the state capture inquiry found that two former public enterprises ministers under Jacob Zuma – Malusi Gigaba and herself – had a “close relationship” with the Guptas or were “willing participants” in their state capture schemes.

Rasool, in turn, was declared persona non grata and expelled from Washington in March.
His expulsion escalated tensions between Pretoria and the US.
He was expelled for remarks made during a Mapungubwe Institute for Strategic Reflection webinar, where he accused the Trump administration of “mobilising supremacy”.
Comment from both Brown and Rasool will be added once received.
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  • The MKP has submitted a motion of no confidence against President Cyril Ramaphosa.
  • MKP accuses Ramaphosa of economic mismanagement, law enforcement failures and “failure to act decisively against corruption”.
  • The MKP threatened this move last week if Ramaphosa didn’t withdraw the appointment of Firoz Cachalia as acting police minister and the placing of Senzo Mchunu on leave.
“Failure to act decisively against corruption within state-owned enterprises and government institutions” is one of the reasons why corruption-accused former president Jacob Zuma’s MKP wants to remove President Cyril Ramaphosa through a motion of no confidence.
Last week, the MKP threatened such a move if Ramaphosa doesn’t reverse his appointment of Firoz Cachalia as acting police minister and the placing of Police Minister Senzo Mchunu on leave, in the aftermath of KwaZulu-Natal Police Commissioner Nhlanhla Mkhwanazi’s bombshell allegations.
On Tuesday, the official opposition submitted its motion.
“I write to formally submit a motion of no confidence in Mr Cyril Ramaphosa as president of the Republic of South Africa, in terms of Section 102(2) of the Constitution and Rule 129 of the Rules of the National Assembly,” reads a letter from MKP parliamentary leader John Hlophe.

Hlophe requested “the urgent convening of a special sitting to debate and vote on the matter within two weeks of receipt”.
The letter added:
Thank you for your attention to this urgent matter. I trust that the motion will be scheduled for debate and vote at the earliest opportunity to ensure the stability and governance of our nation.

In the draft motion, Hlophe moves that the House notes “that under President Cyril Ramaphosa’s leadership, South Africa has plunged deeper into crisis, with the state steadily unravelling”.
Hlophe also claimed “that this motion is not politically motivated but is a necessary step to prevent South Africa from spiralling further into instability and to restore public trust in governance”.

Hlophe further charges that Ramaphosa should be removed because of governance failures.
These failures include:
  • “Persistent high levels of crime and lawlessness under his leadership, including a marked increase in murder, robbery, and gender-based violence cases.
  • “Failure to address the deteriorating state of the South African Police Service (SAPS), which has been unable to maintain public safety or prosecute high-profile offenders.
  • “Allegations of interference in law enforcement agencies, as highlighted by the KwaZulu-Natal provincial commissioner’s media briefing, revealed syndicate involvement in SAPS and the broader criminal justice system.”
Under economic mismanagement, Hlophe lists “record-high unemployment rates, with no actionable economic recovery plans to address the economic despair in rural and urban communities” and a “failure to achieve acceptable economic growth rates, exacerbating poverty and inequality”.
Hlophe also accuses Ramaphosa of leadership instability, due to an “inability to effectively govern the country due to severe instability in government and political expediency in retaining compromised ministers” and “failure to steer the country toward a positive direction despite being in office for seven years”.

According to Hlophe, there are also national security concerns, i.e. the “failure to secure South Africa’s borders, leading to an influx of undocumented foreign nationals and compromising the safety of citizens” and an “inadequate response to organised crime, including construction mafia criminality, kidnappings, and gang violence”.
Finally, Hlophe cites a lack of transparency and accountability.
He alleges as follows:
  • “Lack of transparency regarding campaign funders, including the sealing of court records related to his campaign funding.
  • “Failure to act decisively against corruption within state-owned enterprises and government institutions.”
Zuma survived eight motions of no confidence during his nine years in office.
A motion of no confidence in Ramaphosa would not succeed without the support of the ANC’s biggest GNU-partner, the DA, assuming all MPs toe the party line.
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I don't think DA would vote yes atm. To save face, I think they should abstain.
 

  • The massive hole on Republic Road in Randburg, created to fix a burst pipe, remains unrepaired after a year, with political tensions rising over responsibilities.
  • The DA held a birthday “party” near the hole to criticise Johannesburg Transport MMC Kenny Kunene, though he countered by saying the issue lies with Johannesburg Water.
  • While Johannesburg Water claims pipe repairs are complete, the Johannesburg Roads Agency states additional infrastructure work is needed before the hole can be backfilled and tarred.
The “Republic Mess”, a two-storey-deep hole that Johannesburg Mayor Dada Morero promised would be fixed by January 2025, celebrated its first anniversary on Saturday.

Despite being blamed for the mess, Member of the Mayoral Committee for Transport Kenny Kunene was not invited to the party.

But Kunene, the deputy president of the PA, was very much the topic of the festivities as DA members donned party hats and publicly called on him to “fix our roads”.

While this party did not offer sushi served on women’s bodies, the DA did bring cake.

Kunene has taken on the moniker and often refers to himself as the “Sushi King” after he became known for throwing parties at his ZAR club in 2011, where guests ate sushi off the bodies of scantily clad women.

The Republic Mess, now called “Kenny se Gat” by the DA, is a massive two-storey-deep hole in Randburg on the corner of Republic and Brightwater Commons roads, right in front of the Mercure Hotel.



The hole was created in August 2024 to fix a giant 711mm-diameter pipe lying under the road, which had burst 20 times that year. Work to repair the 40-year-old pipe began in earnest on 26 July 2024, when welders dug the hole to fix a 10cm² burst affecting 44 suburbs.


When News24 first wrote about it in August 2024, Morero inspected the repairs at the invitation of then-Ward 99 councillor and DA spokesperson for environmental and infrastructure services Nicole van Dyk.

The mayor arrived with a delegation that included environmental and infrastructure services MMC Jack Sekwaila, Johannesburg Water COO Ntshavheni Mukwevho, and chief internal auditor Duduzile Tshabalala. He promised that the issue would be fixed by 2025.

But it hasn’t. Instead, it continues to grow bigger, to the point that on 11 July, it is said to have led to an accident. The driver allegedly tried to avoid a pedestrian and swerved into the hole with her brand-new vehicle. While the pedestrian was bumped by the car, neither she nor the driver were critically injured, and the vehicle did not fall all the way into the hole.

To draw attention to the giant hole in the hope that it is repaired soon, the DA Ward 102 councillor, Lucinda Harman, and others held a “party” on the edge of the hole on Saturday. The party was complete with cake, party hats and banners with the DA insignia and which read, “HOOT! To rescue Johannesburg in 2026”.

Placed above the crater was a large banner in the PA’s acid green, which read:

Kenny Kunene’s Canyon!! Happy 1st B-Day.

The official poster for the event, shared on the DA Gauteng social media pages, called for residents to “help us remind Kenny Kunene what his job is” by taking photos of “broken roads” and sharing them on social media under #P.A.KennyFixMyRoad.

Harman said the DA had not invited Kunene to the “party”.

Kunene, however, said the party was held for the wrong person.

The Johannesburg Road Agency (JRA) is responsible for backfilling and tarring roads, and this crater is not a pothole but a reinstatement, he said.


Reinstatements are created when infrastructure, like stormwater drains, is damaged or removed and needs to be rebuilt or repaired.

The Republic Mess is an example because the verge, edging and the road need to be reinstated.

“This is not a problem for the JRA to fix. Johannesburg Water must first finish the job before we can close [the hole],” Kunene said.

He believes he was not invited on Saturday because the DA “knew by inviting me, I’d have something to say”.
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Lol, why would you be invited to a sarcastically-held party...?
He said he was doing a good job and the JRA was working hard to fix potholes, even the ones in Ward 102.

“The mayor’s votes come from Soweto, but the [northern suburbs] are where our ratepayers are,” Kunene said, saying that the JRA was focusing on fixing the roads in the northern suburbs.

“But you can never please everybody,” he added.

Kunene believes the DA is targeting him because the party knows he will run for mayor after the local government elections next year and it wants to tarnish his image.

Johannesburg Water, however, said the pipe had been repaired, and it had completed its work.

In a written response, Johannesburg Water spokesperson Nombuso Shabalala said the entity was working with the JRA “to arrange the reinstatement of the road”.

She said the reinstatement took more work than “simply backfilling the hole”.

Shabalala said the work would include:
  • Repair of the stormwater drainage.
  • Arrangement of the existing servitudes.
  • Proper layer works “correct engineering material to be compacted”.
  • Laying the asphalt.
She said the process of appointing a contractor by the JRA was already in motion.
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Top trolling :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
 
  • NCC leader Fadiel Adams faces a 15-day suspension and pay cut for a vulgar and racist Facebook rant.
  • This is after Parliament’s ethics committee found his “extremely vulgar” video against a female DA member and Cape Town Mayor Geordin Hill-Lewis brought Parliament into disrepute.
  • The National Assembly will decide whether it adopts the Joint Committee on Ethics and Members’ Interests’ recommendations on Tuesday.
Derogatory, racist and sexist – this is how Parliament’s Joint Committee on Ethics and Members’ Interests describes a foul-mouthed social media rant by National Coloured Congress (NCC) leader Fadiel Adams.

The committee has recommended to the National Assembly that it finds Adams guilty of bringing Parliament into disrepute with his “extremely vulgar” video posted to Facebook, and that his penalties include the suspension of his seat, and salary, for 15 days.

The National Assembly will decide on the committee’s recommendations on Tuesday.

The complaint was laid by DA chief whip George Michalakis in February, after Adams posted an expletive-laden video on Facebook.

Adams referred to a coloured woman who supported the DA as a “ding (thing)”, and said “the right-wing love coloureds that are a fit to work in the kitchen but think they can make their way into the office by sucking white genitalia”.

The target of his attack had apparently publicly stated that Adams attended the funeral of a gang boss.

He made further crass, racial and misogynist remarks about this person, including dropping several p-bombs.

He then called Cape Town Mayor Geordin Hill-Lewis, of the DA, a “piece of ****”, “wit god (white god)” and referred to “his ****ing kids”. He then accused Hill-Lewis and the City of murder and fuelling violence.
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Being from WC myself, I can already hear how Fapi...diel... ranted...
In his submissions to the committee, Adams justified his outburst by stating that he lives in a gang-ridden area and that he was protective of his children.

The committee’s report reads:

The member apologises for his outburst and states that he needs to provide perspective. He states that he lives in a ghetto where children die daily, and that the complainant (Michalakis) will not understand the stresses of this.

The report states that “because he has taken a decision not to forsake the poor and marginalised people of his constituency, his own children are raised in traumatising circumstances. Further, that the complainant is not expected to understand this.

“Therefore, when a female member of the Democratic Alliance (DA) used social media to publicise that he and his children attended a funeral of the ‘Fancy Boys’ gang leader, she knowingly placed his children at risk because his daughter attends school in a ‘Fancy Boys’ gang stronghold, his son attends school in an ‘Americans’ gang stronghold, and his foster daughter attends school in a ‘28’s’ gang stronghold. He states that the complainant may be confused by the jargon, which is understandable.

“The member states that the gangs are powerful, armed militants with reputations built on brutality and spite. He states that by making his family look sympathetic to the ‘Fancy Boys’ gang, that ‘piece of filth’ endangered his children. That while this was happening, he simultaneously had to deal with extra strain because his teenage daughter was undergoing surgery, which was traumatic for him because he is a protective father.”

Adams stated that what he said was wrong and that he would apologise to those who saw the social media post.

“He states that he is man enough to admit when he is wrong. He also states that he is not stupid enough to comment on issues that he does not understand. He states that it is interesting that the complainant heard what he said, but that the complainant failed to understand the reason for his comments.”


Adams also questioned why Michalakis referred this matter to the ethics committee “when a father slips in defence of his children”.

The committee’s report reads:

In conclusion [Adams] states that he is sorry for his outburst. That he is prepared for whatever the committee decides.

“He advises the complainant to do some serious soul searching. He states that his children could have been hurt at best and possibly worse. He states that it is a member of the complainant’s political party that caused this, and yet he is the one complaining. The member states that this is white privilege.”

The committee found the “content of the social media post is derogatory, racist, and sexist”.

“The language used by the member brings Parliament into disrepute.

“The committee noted that the member could have expressed his anger in a better way and not in the vulgar and derogatory manner that he did.”

The committee found that he breached item 9(1) and 9(2) of the Ethics Code for MPs.

Item 9 of the code states: “(1) A member must not bring Parliament into disrepute when using, engaging in or communicating content on social media platforms; (2) a member who is addressing another member or a member of the public on social media platforms must not use derogatory, racist or sexist language or content that is derogatory, racist, sexist.”

Adams was informed of the committee’s findings and requested to provide written submissions on the penalty but did not do so.

The report reads: “The committee was alarmed at the extremely vulgar and derogatory language used by the member toward, particularly, a woman in the video footage.”

The committee recommended the following penalties:
  • a reprimand in the House;
  • that Adams enter an apology in the House to the public and to the woman that he referred to in the Facebook post, “for the derogatory, racist and vulgar language that he used during the Facebook video”;
  • that Adams be suspended from his seat in the parliamentary debates and committees for a period of 15 days;
  • that Adams’ salary and allowances be reduced by an amount equal to 15 days; and
  • that Adams attends a consultation with the Speaker of the National Assembly, the co-chairpersons of the committee, and the acting registrar for discussions on the ethical conduct required of a member of Parliament.
This is not the first time that Adams’ Facebook vitriol has landed him in hot water.

Last year in March, the Equality Court found that Adams’ continual references to City of Cape Town municipal manager Lungelo Mbandazayo as being “from the Eastern Cape” in live broadcasts on Facebook was “racist and derogatory” as it was “coded language” to imply that Mbandazayo was inferior.


After the judge ordered him to apologise, Adams again took to Facebook and said: “Lock me up. I will not apologise to that ****.”

He also said: “**** the court.”
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He and Gayton will destroy the DA, I promise you.

Raging racist and sexist, the best SA has to offer...
 
TheChamp said:
Just like you are able to justify being in an alliance with the ANC, the PA supporters can also do the same thing just fine.

There is no sign that the PA growth has slowed down after the GNU as you have seen how they have been thrashing the DA in by elections, yes, rural or not rural it doesn't matter. In fact just after they voted for a VAT increase, they went on to take a ward from the DA in Joburg after you all swore the voters are going to punish those who voted for a VAT increase.

I think you just need to admit they are a formidable opponent and deserve to be respected instead of being dismissed.
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Weird how you just appear to forget last week's by-elections, where the PA definitely did not "thrash" the DA. In fact, they lost to the DA. This is an important point - the PA as a mickey mouse party HATE not winning as they need it to create momentum/show supporters their vote isn't a wasted one.
 
The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
Weird how you just appear to forget last week's by-elections, where the PA definitely did not "thrash" the DA. In fact, they lost to the DA. This is an important point - the PA as a mickey mouse party HATE not winning as they need it to create momentum/show supporters their vote isn't a wasted one.
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Yes, where they don't thrash them they see massive amounts of growth, 3% to 43% is nie pap en vleis.
 
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