Sign a warning letter?

oh man!!! so we have to wait yet another day? cant take this anymore. I want this done and over with :)
 
Nikita_k said:
oh man!!! so we have to wait yet another day? cant take this anymore. I want this done and over with :)
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Probably more than a day...
I'm pretty sure the chairperson of the hearing isn't available with so little notice
 
Yea - it will be more than a day.

I had a chat to our new 'neutral' HR lady that started a few weeks back. I'm her first case that she'll be dealing with and called me in this morning to understand the issues. She's taking the typical HR stand of assisting the employee. Regardless, there's two things she said that I'm curious on :

1. Length of time before appealing. Our Disciplinary Code is silent on the time frame after which an appeal can be lodged. I'm lodging the first (verbal) warning after a month. Is that too long? Does it default to a certain time frame if our internal code is silent?

2. I brought up the fact that I was told to 'sign' and not given a fair opportunity to state my case before the warning was issued, as I've seen on various sites. Her reply was they don't have to give me an opportunity (?) unless it's a final. When I proceeded to go to www.labourguide.co.za, I was told 'one can't simply Google these things'.

Isn't that an official site?
 
Dolby said:
Yea - it will be more than a day.

I had a chat to our new 'neutral' HR lady that started a few weeks back. I'm her first case that she'll be dealing with and called me in this morning to understand the issues. She's taking the typical HR stand of assisting the employee. Regardless, there's two things she said that I'm curious on :

1. Length of time before appealing. Our Disciplinary Code is silent on the time frame after which an appeal can be lodged. I'm lodging the first (verbal) warning after a month. Is that too long? Does it default to a certain time frame if our internal code is silent?

2. I brought up the fact that I was told to 'sign' and not given a fair opportunity to state my case before the warning was issued, as I've seen on various sites. Her reply was they don't have to give me an opportunity (?) unless it's a final. When I proceeded to go to www.labourguide.co.za, I was told 'one can't simply Google these things'.

Isn't that an official site?
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sounds like she is towing the party line. not good news. not assisting you at all.
 
Just found out she's big buddies with said GM :wtf:

Oh well - let's see what happens
 
Dolby said:
Just found out she's big buddies with said GM :wtf:

Oh well - let's see what happens
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If I were you, and I am being as caring as I possibly can here, I would prepare for the worst.
The impunity and lack of morals in SA companies is astounding. They will do anything to get ahead, even if it is illegal.
 
I have been trying to get out ; I'm definitely not sitting there.
 
Glad you are following through with this and standing up to a bully. Win or Lose its a credit to your character!
 
Might be a good time to get your own lawyer involved.

In fact, contact him now.
 
She's doing the typical HR thing... being "on your side" but at the same time protecting her employer as best she can...

Just be wary of them.

And yes you can just "google this stuff" its based on law and such. Interpretation is obviously a part of it, but at the end of the day its all codified into law, and from what you've posted here, this GM has stepped so FAR outside the law that if anything you should get off scott free and the GM should be fired instantly. What she has done pretty much amounts to fraud and dishonesty which is usually an instantly dismissable offense from my understanding.

And yeah, def follow Ancalagon's advice, contact a labour lawyer.. it will be R800 - R1000 very well spent in my opinion.
 
Does anyone know if there is a prescribed time in which to appeal an warning?

Our internal Disciplinary Code is silent on the matter and they revert to 5 days
 
Ah. Even at two weeks at I'm out. Argh - unfair :/

The process was never explained to me at all ; wasn't even aware it could be appealed until 4 weeks later
 
CCMA says it must be stipulated in the internal code.

If not, he says that there is no time frame (though, I guess reasonable) and if they refuse the appeal, I can go to them within 90 days. Hoping he understood me, as I've just told her that I WILL appeal and if they refuse, I WILL go to CCMA
 
It's a bloody mess. You will keep your job but will have no prospects further in the company.
 
theratman said:
Yeah but I'm sure the OP is trying to prove a point and then move on at a later stage under his own terms.
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I get what you saying but the hr person also moving to the opposite side of the table has made the situation worse.
 
akescpt said:
It's a bloody mess. You will keep your job but will have no prospects further in the company.
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I would hope that, if he can prove he did nothing wrong, he should in fact have better prospects for the future, as he stayed loyal despite being falsely accused. Of course, if he is found guilty anyway, he's in a lot of trouble.
 
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