Sign a warning letter?

This is how it works in "normal" companies.
In crappy (read: sweatshop) companies, they exploit loopholes.
If you work for such a company, my best advice is, don't even bother with the CCMA. They will bring in their heavies at the proceedings, who will make a mockery of the proceedings and it will end up Employer: 1, Employee: 0
 
Is there any particular reason she is gunning for you? Is she doing the same to others? If the charges are unfair, could you not institute a grievance procedure against her?
 
People bringing their own insecurities into the office and taking their frustrations out on everybody, steer clear of these things.
 
This is a fascinating thread! I've had one warning and it was years ago. The power went out in CT and we knew it was going to be out for an hour or so. I went downstairs to grab a cup of coffee and a smoke and was called asking wtf I was. Came back up and was slapped with a final written warning for absconding. Argued with them that I couldn't work because the power was off, didn't care. I didn't bother signing and told them what they could do with their final written warning, also told them the CCMA would make a mockery out of it. Left the company a few weeks later of my own accord. Still wish I had really given her a piece of my mind or taken them to the CCMA to prove a point. They treated us like crap at that company.
 
First offence, verbal warning in the presence of a supervisor. Then corrective action would be to give a sort of training seminar to you on how to prepare for meetings, confirming with you that you have the resources required to properly prepare or to determine if you faced obstacles out of your control when you tried to prepare for the meeting.

If it happens again, I would issue a warning to you, but still the employer needs to engage in in remedial action. For example, the second time you will get a written warning, but you will also get a senior employee who then physically sit with you and help you prepare for a meeting.

rinse and repeat step 2 until you have 3 strikes.

This is how I understand it as well. Dolby you should speak to your union rep if you have one.
 
Had to sign one whilst working on Grootvlei Powerstation in 2007. I flatout refused. Can't remember what it was for, but I know I wasn't guilty. Think it was something like our site manager catching like 15 (out of a group of 25-30) sleeping on the job, so he said we all had to sign.

Yes, he was a bit of a mental nutcase.

He couldn't make me sign it even if he held a gun to my head.
 
This discussion should revolve around Schedule 8 - Code of good practice in the LRA 1995 as amended.

While conduct is recognised as one of the reasons for dismissal, there are some conditions attached.
Firstly, there is principle of procedural and substantive fairness.
In other words, was a proper procedure followed, and did the punishment fit the crime, according to past precedent and the company's policies.

The act calls for dismissal to be the final straw, and advocates progressive discipline. For example, if you get a reprimand for late coming, and then one for not closing the door - well they are not really linked, and I have lost a CCMA case for this reason in the past.

If you are reprimanded for a misconduct, the act says the employer must determine if

(i) the rule was a valid or reasonable rule or standard;
(ii) the employee was aware, or could reasonably be expected to have been aware, of the rule or standard;
(iii) the rule or standard has been consistently applied by the employer; and
(iv) dismissal was an appropriate sanction for the contravention of the rule or standard.

Failure to have enough evidence of these points, could render the dismissal unfair.

If, on the other hand they want to make a case for poor work performance then the employer needs to -
determine whether or not the employee failed to meet a performance standard;
and if the employee did not meet a required performance standard whether or not-
(i) the employee was aware, or could reasonably be expected to have been aware, of the required performance standard;
(ii) the employee was given a fair opportunity to meet the required performance standard; and
(iii) dismissal was an appropriate sanction for not meeting the required performance standard.

Again, if such a process is not followed, the whole shebang becomes procedurally unfair, and an arguement for constructive dismissal can be made.

Signing for papers is not a big issue - as long as the employer can prove you saw and / or got a copy, thats good enough.
 
Had to sign one whilst working on Grootvlei Powerstation in 2007. I flatout refused. Can't remember what it was for, but I know I wasn't guilty. Think it was something like our site manager catching like 15 (out of a group of 25-30) sleeping on the job, so he said we all had to sign.

Yes, he was a bit of a mental nutcase.

He couldn't make me sign it even if he held a gun to my head.

And 8 years down the line we have loadshedding, coincidence? :D
 
Thanks guys.

She add an amendment to the #2 warning saying gross insubordination, swore at her, threw a pen at her.

Neutral witness agreed - but out right lie
 
Thanks guys.

She add an amendment to the #2 warning saying gross insubordination, swore at her, threw a pen at her.

Neutral witness agreed - but out right lie

Is the neutral witness sleeping with her? :|
 
Thanks guys.

She add an amendment to the #2 warning saying gross insubordination, swore at her, threw a pen at her.

Neutral witness agreed - but out right lie

Is she 4 years old? "Threw a pen" != weapon of mass destruction.

This sounds very personal.
 
To be honest Dolby... I think you need to rather just move on, get a better job...
Bullying in the SA workplace, and this whole mentality of "you are desperate for a job and so we can do what we like with you" is still a big, big problem.
 
The witness is a friend of mine that was pulled in to be the witness. I doubt she'd turn on me intentionally - but when you have a friend on one side and a psychotic GM on the other ... Who do you back?
 
I have a feeling that this is not going to end well for the OP
 
Thanks guys.

She add an amendment to the #2 warning saying gross insubordination, swore at her, threw a pen at her.

Neutral witness agreed - but out right lie

That's a serious charge to make. Most companies can fire you for that. I'd definitely challenge it if I were you.
 
The witness is a friend of mine that was pulled in to be the witness. I doubt she'd turn on me intentionally - but when you have a friend on one side and a psychotic GM on the other ... Who do you back?

I think you should remind your friend if you're gone, their head might be on the block next.
 
This sounds very personal.

Definitely is.

But yesterday when I ask to chat to her she said 'not without my witness. I need to know what it is about.' etc Didn't want to chat to me at all

To be honest Dolby... I think you need to rather just move on, get a better job...

I have a feeling that this is not going to end well for the OP

When I realised what was happening after the first, I started looking. I've applied for a few already and my mind is setup that
I do not want to be around people like that.

I chatted to someone last night on the other side of the coin ; being a high position (non HR - he decides who must go ...) and said the same thing. He said I should accept the fact I *am* going, but *not* resign.

That's a serious charge to make. Most companies can fire you for that. I'd definitely challenge it if I were you.

Yes, challenging everything. I've asked HR for an appeal document and submitting. Fully agreed that stakes just went up with that charge.

Unless you have a vested interest (shares) then you're best off leaving on your own terms.

Yup - trying :P

Not super easy or quick to get something, so just hoping something can come along
 
The witness is a friend of mine that was pulled in to be the witness. I doubt she'd turn on me intentionally - but when you have a friend on one side and a psychotic GM on the other ... Who do you back?

recording device in all future interactions

Do Not Resign!
 
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