So i am being sued.

so you also deal with them then, i also find that the mechanics are so so and the "owner" does not know a thing about bikes and the communication between him and the mechanics leaves a lot to be desired.

i wouldn't know where to start if i had to work on my bike but i might have to take it to someone else and send the bill to Zest.
 
so you also deal with them then, i also find that the mechanics are so so and the "owner" does not know a thing about bikes and the communication between him and the mechanics leaves a lot to be desired.

i wouldn't know where to start if i had to work on my bike but i might have to take it to someone else and send the bill to Zest.

Yes, and they also sent my bike away for "engineering" to drill out a bolt without asking me first but luckily it was only ~R200 (I could have done it myself) so I did not make a fuss. As for the service as far as I know they only drain the oil and replace the spark plugs and for that they charge you R300.


Do you also have the cruiser?
 
so my bike took a half hour to start tonight, i have a good mind to sue them.

either one of your valves got burnt or your piston rings got broken.

after reading through this thread the only conclusion I can make is that it might be damage to your piston and piston rings.

good luck with your case.

Did you also post your story on the bikersa forum? ---> www.tbforum.co.za
 
Yes, and they also sent my bike away for "engineering" to drill out a bolt without asking me first but luckily it was only ~R200 (I could have done it myself) so I did not make a fuss. As for the service as far as I know they only drain the oil and replace the spark plugs and for that they charge you R300.


Do you also have the cruiser?

yip thats the price but the drilling cost me R114 or there abouts and the brakes were done and something else too which brought it up to R774.00

my bike is in my profile or in the bikers section of the social groups its a korean import.
 
either one of your valves got burnt or your piston rings got broken.

after reading through this thread the only conclusion I can make is that it might be damage to your piston and piston rings.

good luck with your case.

Did you also post your story on the bikersa forum? ---> www.tbforum.co.za

if that has happened would i still have compression?

no i did not post it, i will have a look at the link, thanks man.
 
if that has happened would i still have compression?

no i did not post it, i will have a look at the link, thanks man.

Compression loss is caused by either a burnt valve, or broken piston rings.

Or a hole in the piston itself.

Difficult to say without proper inspection.
 
hmmmm, then maybe i should have the bike stripped again to see whats wrong and send them the bill as according to the owner whatever they did to my bike it should run better than before which it does not.
 
This sounds horribly similar to one of my experiences with a Dodgy tyre company in Durban.....

They backed off quickly when they got an official lawyers letter from my side counter-suing for the damage to my vehicle.... They ended up paying for EVERYTHING... including professional mag wheel repair.
 
This sounds horribly similar to one of my experiences with a Dodgy tyre company in Durban.....

They backed off quickly when they got an official lawyers letter from my side counter-suing for the damage to my vehicle.... They ended up paying for EVERYTHING... including professional mag wheel repair.

Hmm... maybe I should put my lawyer on Peugeot....
 
froot : its not a bad idea... although with a dealership like peugeot... open letters to the editors of the paper etc is more damaging..... bad publicity can't be dealt with quitely...
 
froot : its not a bad idea... although with a dealership like peugeot... open letters to the editors of the paper etc is more damaging..... bad publicity can't be dealt with quitely...

Quite true... although I am obviously more concerned with getting my car fixed :)
 
You might find the bad publicity gets your car fixed alot quicker..... might be worth a try if they start messing you around again.
 
Zest Bikes side of the story

WOW I cant believe the lies that Wayne is saying about my company.

Let me explain my side of the story and then all the forum members can make up there own opinion, all I will start by saying is Wayne has made me loose even more faith in mankind!

Wayne brought his bike to us just over 1 year ago for his first service with us, we did the service and he was on his way, over a year later he brought his bike to us for his next service (let me say to anyone that owns a bike out there and uses it on a daily basis like Wayne does driving +-40km a day to work that a bike should be serviced more than once a year but this helps me explain to you why he waited for a year) So +- 1 week before the recent service he brought his bike to our shop speaking to our sales guy Eugene about lack of power on his bike, in the mornings it takes him +-10mins to start the bike and he thinks there is no compression, Eugene said to him when last did you service the bike (over a year ago) so Eugene said well bring it in for a service and we can also look at what the problem is (guessing is no good as this thread indicates) however Eugene gave Wayne a FREE spark plug and said try this at home and see if it makes a difference (you would think that was good customer service but apparantly not), So Wayne books his service in 1 week later, he also asks us to do change the front and rear brake pads AND PUT A NEW GASKET ON THE HEAD AS PETROL/OIL IS LEAKING FROM IT (FUNNY HE DOES NOT MENTION THIS IN THE THREAD, ALTHOUGH I HAVE THIS WRITTEN ON MY SERVICE BOOK IN SHEET), we do all this and find that the thread where the spark plug goes in is messed up so we have to wait for the thread guys to come before we can put the new spark plug in and test the bike, Wayne arrives and I explain all this to him he waits here we even chat!! once the thread guy is gone we put the spark plug in and try to start the bike (it is now 4.30pm) the bike does not want to start (like the same problem he had before which he mentioned to Eugene, me and my mechanic a week prior to the service and on the day) so the mechanic says to him it could be that the guy who drilled the thread hit a valve or it could be another problem but the only way to tell is to have a look at the valves but since it was 4.30pm i said I would lend him a courtesy bike (no charge) and phone him in the morning once we know what the problem is, oh yes we also phoned the thread guy that afternoon and he said no he does not go near the valve, so Wayne took the scooter and was off.
The following morning my mechanic took the head off and showed me the valves that they where all ok and showed me all the gunk stuck around the head and valves and showed me that when he poured petrol on it it leaked from all the valves and that the problem was +-8 years of build up of gunk and it needs to be cleaned in order for Wayne to stop experiancing his starting problems and loss of power, I then phoned wayne in the morning (have phone records) and explained to him it was not the thread guy as the valves where fine but the build up of gunk, I then asked him must a go ahead and clean them he asked how long it would take i said not sure 3-4 hours if lucky or more, he said go ahead with it. I then phoned him back around 4pm and said they where almost finished and it has taken 7 hours and will cost about R1400 but I understand that he has not atisipated this so I will allow him to pay it off over 3 months (even though this fault was not mine) he complained that it was only brought in for a service and it must be free? this I could not understand because he new it had problems starting before, new it was leaking oil from the head and what did he think that a service covers fixing other problems to? (even though i phoned him and kept him up to date the whole time) any ways he then said ok i said it would be 3 hours so he will pay R600 I did not want to have the phone call go on for ever and could see he was upset so I just ok R600 I will drop his bike off at his work and pick up the scooter,He said can I not drop the bike at his house and his wife would give me the R600, I needed the scooter back so said to him (my biggest mistake taking someones word) I will gladly deliver your bike to your work before 5pm and pickup the scooter you can then come give me the R600 in the week, he agreed and I thought the subject was resolved (was I wrong)

In the morning I get a phone message from an attorneys office so I return the call, an extremly rude person says to me her client is not paying me for the job, when i tried to explain my side she said she is not interrested and hung up the phone (still taking that up with her company) i phoned back to speak to the owner only for the same lady to answer the phone saying he is very busy and will only get back to me in a few days (still waiting) she then said she was Waynes daughter ( no wonder i thought how can a lawyer be so rude and not listen to the full story) when i try to mention to her that Wayne agreed to pay R600 the day before she said i was lying (PLEASE WAYNE WHO IS LYING?) any ways i get a attorneys letter a day later from there office saying Wayne is not paying me, WELL now i am have done everything properly my side and was promised by Wayne to pay but now this is becoming a matter of principal as I do not like being lied to specially after helping out (spark plug,Loan bike,payment plan etc)

So I have gotten my attorneys now involved and he has 14 days to settle the invoice.

Proof I have Eugene (sales guy)who spoke 1 week prior to the service to Wayne when wayne brought the bike to us complaining of not starting and no compression)
Mechanic who did the job and otheres who saw the gunk)
Telephone records calls
and a receipt for a VALVE CLEANER just after the phone records of me calling Wayne to ask if we should go ahead with the job.
Also the book in sheet where it states cleary gasket on head as leaking

I would love the forum members feed back and any questions you have you are welcome to email me [email protected] or i will check this forum.

Also the bikes tappets where set when the bike was cleaned out (bike will go perfectly for a few days which it did was delivered etc), although a few days later he must bring it in for 1 more adjustment although before i could talk to him he stated with the lawyers etc

I did mention to him to get another mechanic of his choice to look at what we repaired and see if we where telling the truth (he however did not opt for this although he still should i think)

Please give me your views as I can not understand why Wayne blatantly lies and hides the truth.
I have never been to court but as a matter of principal I will defiantly be seeing Wayne in Court!
Thanks for taking the time to read both sides of the story.
 
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Seems we now have two stories.... well if the garage has proof then there is definitely an issue to be sorted.
 
stratos1 : It is nice to have the other side of the story.....

BUt I will point out a few salient things... your proof is mostly eyewitnesses (who work for you) and random phone records that show you phoned Wayne.. not what you said to him... so the conversation could have been about anything. and I'm no mechanic, but it doesn't take a single man, 7 hours of dedicated work to clean the valves etc... I can understand the job taking 7 hours, but to charge it out for 7 hours of labour is not fair or right in my opinion since it didn't require one of your mechanics to sit there for 7 hours doing nothing else... he was earning his salary doing other jobs.
 
Zest Bikes side of the story

I can see how 7 hours can seem along time, although that is what it takes, however when i phoned him we agreed upon R600 so from R1400 to R600 I think that was fair from my side?

Even Wayne agreed on R600.

Now he sends me a lawyers letter saying he will pay nothing?
 
That aspect of it I unfortunately can't judge.. since that was a private agreement between you two.. which is obviously not down in writing.
 
Zest Bikes side of the story

we will let the court decide now who is right or wrong.

But do you not think it strange he does not even mention the oil leak from the head? in any of these forum messages.Or the problem for weeks with not being able to start his bike or lack of compression? (why take the free spark plug from us?)

I still want him to respond to this thread and say whether or not we agreed upon the R600?

Whether anyone believes me or not i know he agreed upon that and would love to see if he lies about it or admits it!

Also he says he phoned me in first thread (i have the records that prove I phoned him)

But I'm sure his story will keep changing!
 
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we will let the court decide now who is right or wrong.

But do you not think it strange he does not even mention the oil leak from the head? in any of these forum messages.Or the problem for weeks with not being able to start his bike or lack of compression? (why take the free spark plug from us?)

I still want him to respond to this thread and say whether or not we agreed upon the R600?

Whether anyone believes me or not i know he agreed upon that and would love to see if he lies about it or admits it!

Also he says he phoned me in first thread (i have the records that prove I phoned him)

But I'm sure his story will keep changing!

from talking to Eugene on Wednsday 26th november i booked my bike in for monday 1st december.

the spark plug was to be booked to my service as per Eugene and my discussion. the bike started first time everytime since you guys changed the spark plug.
the oil leak was discused with eugene and yourself and i asked if you could look at it see if it can be sorted just so i can use the bike for work till it can be sorted during the holidays.

at no time was i contacted for the thread of the spark plug on the monday and i only knew about it at 2.30 when i came to hear what is happening with my bike and pay for the service. why was the thread drilled if it was working and why did the spark plugs not fit when i suggested you use the one you gave me on wednesday.

my bike rode in for a sevice on monday and i could not ride my bike out again after the service.

at no time was money mentioned for the gunk as you say in the enginewhen you phoned on the tuesday morning and that is why i said you can clean it out.

i agree with the R600 and we were prepared to pay till i was told it is the principal of the matter and that i should have been informed what the costs were.

why is it after a service and whatever you did does my bike take 5 - 10 mins to start in the morning and night, why is it still leaking, why did it take over 30mins to start on friday afternoon, i too have witnesses to this affect.

did you put the "gunk" back in?
 
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Ok... there does seems some issues to be resolved though. Unfortunately being a business owner myself I feel for both stratos1 and wayne at the moment... as both have valid reasons to be upset.
 
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