So i am being sued.

zest

You mention you talked to Eugene on Wednesday you however fail to mention what it is you talked about.

Eugene told me the talk was about how your bike is taking 10 minutes to start, lack of power and feels like no compression also that there is an oil leak from your head.

You previous service was with us over a year ago and the only reason you now wanted a service was because your bike was not going properly.

Because you could not get the problem looked at this week Eugene gave you a free spark plug as it was one of our Chinese (not the NGK we use for the services) just to try to see if it may help as you could only bring the bike into our shop the following week. This was told to you.

Also we did not change the spark plug you did!
That spark plug was a short one and you fitted it anyways and then drove with it for a few days afterwards, the reason the plug helped was because your valves where leaking and hence your old plug was very dirty so a new plug will help the situation but only for a short term as it will get full of “gunk”.
When we serviced the bike we took out the plug you fitted and saw you had stripped the last 2 rings, so the new NGK spark plug could not be fitted you arrived at the shop just as I had phoned the thread guy, I told you that as you walked in and said they normally take 30mins to 1 hour to arrive and cost about R150. (ended up cheaper)

You where having starting problems before you came to us, once you put in a new plug it helped for awhile that does not solve the problem.

A service does not cover the costs of cleaning valves.

When someone books in a service it does not mean we fix all there problems(new panels etc), a service is just that a service.

I have said to you to take your bike to a qualified mechanic and get there opinion on whether the valves where all cleaned, you have had the bike for around 8 years I can guarantee you that he will see that those are not 8 year old dirty valves and that we have done the job.

The Bike was running perfectly when it was delivered it will defiantly be going worse now as we need to set the tappets about 2 days after that job is done, however I received a lawyers call the very morning after the bike was dropped off and you where not answering my telephone calls.

Our last conversation we agreed upon R600 for the job and that I will phone you in the morning to see if you where happy with the job. (still do not understand why I then had the lawyers call first thing in the morning and you where not answering my calls, as at that stage you bike was running great)

Funny how the lawyer (your daughter) said you had not mentioned paying R600 and that I was lying.


You where well a where of the costs as you paid for an invoice the day before that invoice clearly has the R200 for 1 hour labour charge on it and I even went through it with you when you paid

When I phoned you and and asked must I go ahead with the job we even spoke about how many hours it could take (Hence you agreed to pay the R600 as you said I only said 3 hours), .

So now you do not want to pay me anything for the job done. a job stated in your message needs to done “the oil leak was discused with eugene and yourself and i asked if you could look at it see if it can be sorted just so i can use the bike for work till it can be sorted during the holidays”

You where a where the job needed to be done, now you do not want to pay for it.

My word still stands and you can bring the R600 we agreed upon in and we will happily set the tappets for you, otherwise you force me to go to court as this is now more a matter of principal for me than anything else
 
You mention you talked to Eugene on Wednesday you however fail to mention what it is you talked about.

Eugene told me the talk was about how your bike is taking 10 minutes to start, lack of power and feels like no compression also that there is an oil leak from your head.

You previous service was with us over a year ago and the only reason you now wanted a service was because your bike was not going properly.

Because you could not get the problem looked at this week Eugene gave you a free spark plug as it was one of our Chinese (not the NGK we use for the services) just to try to see if it may help as you could only bring the bike into our shop the following week. This was told to you.

Also we did not change the spark plug you did!
That spark plug was a short one and you fitted it anyways and then drove with it for a few days afterwards, the reason the plug helped was because your valves where leaking and hence your old plug was very dirty so a new plug will help the situation but only for a short term as it will get full of “gunk”.
When we serviced the bike we took out the plug you fitted and saw you had stripped the last 2 rings, so the new NGK spark plug could not be fitted you arrived at the shop just as I had phoned the thread guy, I told you that as you walked in and said they normally take 30mins to 1 hour to arrive and cost about R150. (ended up cheaper)


You where having starting problems before you came to us, once you put in a new plug it helped for awhile that does not solve the problem.

A service does not cover the costs of cleaning valves.

When someone books in a service it does not mean we fix all there problems(new panels etc), a service is just that a service.

I have said to you to take your bike to a qualified mechanic and get there opinion on whether the valves where all cleaned, you have had the bike for around 8 years I can guarantee you that he will see that those are not 8 year old dirty valves and that we have done the job.

The Bike was running perfectly when it was delivered it will defiantly be going worse now as we need to set the tappets about 2 days after that job is done, however I received a lawyers call the very morning after the bike was dropped off and you where not answering my telephone calls.

Our last conversation we agreed upon R600 for the job and that I will phone you in the morning to see if you where happy with the job. (still do not understand why I then had the lawyers call first thing in the morning and you where not answering my calls, as at that stage you bike was running great)

Funny how the lawyer (your daughter) said you had not mentioned paying R600 and that I was lying.


You where well a where of the costs as you paid for an invoice the day before that invoice clearly has the R200 for 1 hour labour charge on it and I even went through it with you when you paid

When I phoned you and and asked must I go ahead with the job we even spoke about how many hours it could take (Hence you agreed to pay the R600 as you said I only said 3 hours), .

So now you do not want to pay me anything for the job done. a job stated in your message needs to done “the oil leak was discused with eugene and yourself and i asked if you could look at it see if it can be sorted just so i can use the bike for work till it can be sorted during the holidays”

You where a where the job needed to be done, now you do not want to pay for it.

My word still stands and you can bring the R600 we agreed upon in and we will happily set the tappets for you, otherwise you force me to go to court as this is now more a matter of principal for me than anything else

lie No.1 do you normally let clients change spark plugs on the kerb outside your work, where they also pulled the plug cover/wires apart and then fixed it when the mechanic put it together. the spark plug was removed by your mechanic on the pavement infront of eugene and if it was stripped then the mechanic did it.

at no time was this discussed even after the times we spoke before or after the lawyers letters.
 
zest

Just for everyone to know your bike is over 8 years old and definatly not in a good shape.


1. you admitted to knowing about the problem.
2. you amitted agreeing to pay R600 for the job(that is a R1500 job that I kindly had discounted to R600 for you)

We have been operating for more that 3 years and have loads of Haotian (our brand) of scooters and motorbike in Cape Town.

We service all other Chinese scooters/bikes and our spare parts are the cheapest in Cape Town. We can repair ANY job which is why you will see other scooter brands that we do not sell being serviced or repaired in our store. (like you did)

Over R500 000 spare parts in stock More than any other shop.

Our Warranty is the longest in South Africa 2 years or 40 000km.

And its a family business when I mean family all the staff are like family and we go the extra mile.

Wayne even used us to service his bike the year before and then came back to us (guess we cant be that bad hey Wayne)

As they say there is no advertising like bad publicity well I hope all Mybroadband forum users read this thread and can make up there own minds about this situation. Pop in to 190 Voortrekker rd, Maitland or look at www.zestbikes.co.za.


I have nothing to hide or lie about and will keep you posted on the court case
 
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ha ha ha now its not in good shape.

if you do not lie or have anything to hide why did you say i fitted my own spark plug, when your people did it?

lets get to the point here. i believe that you guys are the cheapest in town it is also convienent for me to bring my bike to you i have a high regard for eugene as he has offered advice when i have needed it and gone out his way to help me.

so blow your horn all you want,

my point still stands i booked the bike in for a service and from there we can acertain why the bike is leaking oil.

the spark plug was changed by your staff on the pavement infront of the shop and if the thread was stripped then someone of your staff did it.

i was told /showed by you and your mechanic that the spark plug does not fit/work because of the thread being drilled. if the bike had worked after the spark plug was fitted on monday afternoon we would not be in this situation and my bike would still be leaking but it would be starting first time as it did when your staff fitted the spark plug on wednesday.

i would have then, as i discussed with eugene and you, booked my bike in for the leak over my holiday.

lets see what happens. i will also keep people informed.

lets check the records of the telephone calls. i would love to see the call on monday to tell me you need to drill the thread, you have none. i went to you at 2.30.

your call to me was tuesday at 11.12 to say its now not the valves as your mechanic suspected when he showed me and you the valve through the hole where the plug goes, but the gunk in the engine from this old bike, no mention of money at this time but yes i told you to clean it but who knew it would take so long to clean it.

next call was 3.54 that same day to tell me the job is R1480.00 which i refused to pay.

yes i agreed to R600 but thought otherwise when i learnt that this is not how companies work.

yes i have records too.

will keep updating as we go along.
 
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I can honestly say, seeing that there is a dispute and both have valid argument for me, I wouldn't dis the place, but I wouldn't use it either until this matter is resolved...
 
Definitely, and I would also suggest they take their disagreement out of the public eye until it is resolved....
 
i looked or a moderator last night and would have asked RPM for advice but no one was on.

i do not want to carry this on like this.
 
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Who'd have thought a Korean bike would have lasted 8 years, but never mind that, but do over 40km daily commute for a year without a service. Not bad...
Obviously there is a dispute, but since the owner dropped his price to R600 maybe you two should just shake, apologise and get on with it, provided there's still time.
It would be stupid for this to end up in court because once legal fees are added up it will far exceed the original bill and the only winners will be the lawyers.
Come on now guys. See if you can't amicably sort out the issues.
 
If an engine is burning oil or contaminated fuel, the combustion residue accumulates on the little of the plugs thread closest to the combustion chamber, and can damage the thread in the soft aluminium head when removed - the longer you go without changing the plugs under these conditions, the higher the risk of thread damage, regardless of the skills of the person removing the plug.

very often services places and their clients work on a mutual trust basis, and additional work gets done by mere verbal communications in preference to each detail being presented in writing, but then it can muddy the waters as appears to have happened here.

I think a taking a step backwards by each party and a handshake is the way to go, after all the end goal is achieved i.e. the bike is serviced and back on the road.
 
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Yep, was also going to suggest to try and discuss this out of court, and no lawyers if you can... 1 consulatation is what... 2K?
 
i will discuss it with him, my main worry now is the bike is still not starting after they did everything.
 
Zest Bikes

My offer of R600 still stands, and if paid I will happily set the tappets. (if paid within the time limit stated)

This whole issue is more (personal) about how this thread was started, complaining about my company Zest Bikes, I now feel my side of the story has gotten across and hopefully the general public can make up there own minds.

Lastly for anyone that is looking for a scooter or bike I will offer all forum members a 2 year or 40000km service plan with any scooter or bike purchased through Zest Bikes.

That is a service plan meaning for 2 years or 40 000km I will service your bike for free along with offering a 2 year or 40 000km warranty on the engine all repairs will be done at my own cost (if any arrise)

Just mention this thread and only valid till 1 Feb 09.

Hopefully I will get some new customers out of this ridiculous situation and they can then see for themselves the level of service Zest Bikes offers.

Wayne please let me know if you wish to settle this now or continue with our legal matters.

Thank you to all the forum readers for your opinions.
 
ok i agree this is out of hand now, if we agree to this matter will my bike start (this morning it took about 10mins and tonight about 20 mins to start) and there is a little oil still dripping from somewhere.
 
Zest

The job can be done whilst you wait you will just have to let me know when you can bring it in so I can schedule it. We can book it for this Saturday if easier for you?

So do we agree that you will bring the R600 (discounted rate) with you? and that once your bike is sorted we can put this matter behind us.
 
i actually feel a bit cheated here...I answered the OP's query in good faith, based on the info given, which lead me to conclude the servicing dealer may be partly at fault.

Given what has come out now, I think the OP didnt reveal all the facts needed for an unbiased conclusion.
 
werner : I think that is probably the case for both side's and not just the OP's side...
 
no...the headgasket was a very vital clue here, which the OP didnt mention anything about, yet the servicing dealer says it was mentioned and replaced etc *....if I had known they had gone down the headgasket route in agreement I wouldnt have opened my mouth.

* assuming the other party isnt making this up either.
 
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I think they should have called you when the discovered the problem. Something like this...

"Dear Sir. Whoever changed/tightened the plug previously, over-tightened it. It is now stuck/seized in the aluminum head. We will have to send it to an engineering shop to have it removed. There is a great chance that the tread will be damaged and it will then need to be re-drilled and tapped.”
 
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