Springboks vs England 2012 - 3 Test tour

I think we'll see a slighly different team next game.

Meyer is going to kick some loosie arse to make sure they do their job.

Other than that I liked the rugby we played in the second half. We just need our scrummy to give us some quick ball before the defence organises.
 
Ya, that was probably our biggest problem. it just took ages for that ball to come out.
 
Congrats!!!! Losing some sleep, are you? :p (been there... twice)

Yep, third Test is in PE and I'll be taking a stroll down to the stadium.

I never thought I'd say this but I hate you (well, for that anyways). Hey, enjoy that match. And to Churchill - good luck bro!

With the rugby and DIE AANTWOORD, last night was nothing short of incredible. I am still at a loss for words.
 
For me, the single biggest screaming point in the first half was Hougaard's play at the rucks. He appeared to be waiting for the correct SA player to be in the exact position before distributing (ala-look-Heyneke-I-can-follow-your-orders-to-the-tee). That exaggerated some of the shortcomings in the rucks - faster play and nobody would've noticed. Similar to how the Stormers beat the Bulls last week - Duvenage et al. knew exactly what the Bulls were going to do.

This tunnel ball thing too - and it still gets touched or charged down! Then when he passes, he does this little feign which delays it by a split second. Although in the 2nd half, he was passing in one motion - obviously someone else noticed and had a chat to him. :) Pienaar was fast from the get go.

I definitely think Hougaard is the best ATM, just not executing in the last 2 weeks. I'm sure he'll be better next week. :)
 
Habana had a great game.

But I fear him putting his life on the line so often is going to shorten his career on the field.
 
Here are my ratings for all the players:

Zane Kirchner – 6
Zane did nothing wrong but was not spectacular either. He did what was asked from him.

JP Pietersen – 5
Unfortunately he never saw the ball and only started looking for work in the second half.

Jean de Villiers – 8
Solid performance by the captain. Led from the front and topped it off with a well worked try.

Frans Steyn – 7
Was good on defence and kept a few defenders busy when he had ball in hand.

Bryan Habana – 9.5
Unbelievable game by the Bok veteran. Work rate was exceptional and his runs destructive.

Morne Steyn – 4
His kicking out of hand was good and he relieved the pressure a few times but goal kicking was below average and that is unacceptable at Test level.

Francois Hougaard – 5
Unfortunately the game plan counted against him and he was not allowed quick ball from the rucks. He is clearly not a kicking scrumhalf and was under pressure. On defence he was great and made a few crucial tackles

Pierre Spies – 5
Still not attending enough rucks and not playing a traditional 8th man role. He was solid at the restarts.

Willem Albert – 9
The human wrecking ball is back. Bone-crunching tackles on defence and powerful runs. Deserved man of the match.

Marcell Coetzee – 6.5
More than satisfactory performance from the debutant. Could get a bit more involved in counter rucking and a fetching role. Has big boots to fill with Brussow not present.

Juandre Kruger – 7
Was immense on defence and drove the English runners back numerous times. Good at scrum time as well. Good debut.

Eben Etzebeth – 6
Good in the scrums and on defence. Did not have any of those stampeding runs on attack.

Jannie du Plessis – 6.5
Along with his fellow front rowers had the English treading back in the scrums.

Bismarck du Plessis – 6.5
Great in the scrums and slowing down the ball at the breakdown. Not his best night at line outs.

Beast Mtawarira – 6.5
Scrummed very well. Would have liked to see him carry up more ball.

Replacements:
Adriaan Strauss – 7
Made an impact immediately. Got all over the park on defense. Scrums and especially line outs were solid.

Coenie Oosthuizen – 8
No doubt a future Bok star. Demolished the English in the scrums and carried up ball very well. Also slowed down English ball at the breakdowns

Flip van der Merwe – 6
Did what was asked from him.

Keegan Daniel – 6
Good on defence and a good work rate.

Ruan Pienaar – 7
More suited for the kick-and-chase game plan employed by the Boks. Distributed ball quickly and well when needed.

Patrick Lambie – 6.5
As with Kirchner he was solid at the back and joined the line well in the build up to a try.

Wynand Olivier – Not enough time to rate.
Replaced Habana only temporarily in first half for blood.
 
I thought Bismarck had a good game. He was his usual bullish self, going on a few rampaging runs and stealing ball off the English. We lost 3 of our own lineouts, 1 wasn't straight, another was the jumper being beaten and the 3rd, the ball not going 5 metres, Strauss the hooker on that occasion.
 
SARugby.com's ratings :

Here are the SARugby.com Springbok player ratings.

15: Zane Kirchner – 5.5

Did the basics well but didn’t add an extra dimension to the team to vindicate his selection.

14: JP Pietersen – 5.5

Went looking for work in the second half after a very quiet first 40 minutes but ultimately had little to do on the night.

13: Jean de Villiers – 7.5

A warrior amongst the new-look Boks, De Villiers led by example, putting his body on the line and bleeding for the jersey.

He was in a war with young Manu Tuilagi, took the bumps in his stride and responded in the best popular manner by scoring a crucial five-pointer.

12: Frans Steyn – 6.5

Did his primary job of crossing the gainline and sealing off the midfield on defence well.

11: Bryan Habana – 8

For all the criticism he received during Super Rugby, Habana came out with a purpose and made a clear statement that he still has the speed and hunger for Test rugby. His best Test in years.

10: Morne Steyn – 5

The major concern from a South African perspective was Steyn’s underwhelming performance.

Granted he received slow ball for most of the match, he failed to dictate terms and dominate the territory game. Also fluffed three kicks at goal which would have put the heat on the English.

9: Francois Hougaard – 5

A very lackadaisical effort from the usually nippy Hougaard. Made one of the few line breaks and a try-saving tackle on Chris Ashton, but failed to execute his primary scrumhalf responsibilities well.

His cleaning out at the rucks and the execution of his box kicks were frustratingly slow and played a major role in the Boks struggling to build momentum. His shocking decision to take a quick tap from five metres out summed up his poor performance.

8: Pierre Spies – 5.5

Like Kirchner did little to silence his detractors, although his work in the lineouts will largely be underrated.

7: Willem Alberts – 8

A juggernaut in the number seven jersey, Alberts bashed over the advantage line with regularity and was undoubtedly the best forward on the park on the night.

He also lived up to his moniker “The Bone Collector” with a number of bone-jarring hits and also showed some finesse with a crucial offload that led to Steyn’s try.

6: Marcell Coetzee – 7

A solid and energetic debut by the 21-year-old who showed with his hard running and big hitting that he has a big future ahead of him.

5: Juandre Kruger – 7

Another impressive maiden performance, Kruger did a mountain of work in the tight loose in addition to calling the shots in the lineouts.

4: Eben Etzebeth – 6

Couldn’t quite replicate his Super Rugby form in his first Test. Conceded an early penalty that Owen Farrell slotted but didn’t disappoint the team.

3: Jannie du Plessis – 6

Good scrummaging and a strong run in the build-up to the Boks’ first try.

2: Bismarck du Plessis – 7.5

Other than a missed tackle on Ben Morgan and one skew throw in the first half, he was immense up front and made some vital steals.

1: Tendai Mtawarira – 6.5

Strong with ball in hand, solid at set piece time and mobile in open play.

Replacements:

16: Adriaan Strauss – (65th min)

Not enough time to be rated.

17: Coenie Oosthuizen – 7 (49th min)

Took the opportunity with both hands. Scrummed powerfully on both sides of the scrum and was industrious in open play.

18: Flip van der Merwe – 5.5 (58th min)

Didn’t do enough to unseat the starting locks.

19: Keegan Daniel – (72nd min)

Not enough time to be rated.

20: Ruan Pienaar – 6.5 (56th min)

Immediately quickened the pace on attack with his desired quick clearing from the base. His experience and cool head was also a plus for the Boks in the latter stages.

21: Pat Lambie – 6 (40th min)

Added some spice from the back and was reliable on defence.

22: Wynand Olivier – (31st min - blood)

Not enough time to be rated.
 
PlanetRugby.com's ratings:

South Africa claimed a 22-17 victory in the first Test against England. Now it is time for Planet Rugby to rate the players at Kings Park on Saturday.

15 Zane Kirchner: In a first-half in which South Africa's de facto gameplan was mirrored by that of England's, Kirchner showed why Heyneke Meyer favoured him over Pat Lambie with an assured performance under the high ball. A booming clearance kick further outlined his main attributes before he was replaced for the second-half. 6/10.

14 JP Pietersen: A solid evening on his home ground, with a sparkle added when he set up Jean de Villiers for South Africa's second try. Although he didn't see a huge amount of the ball, he was strong on defence. 7/10.

13 Jean de Villiers: Out-Tuilagi'd Manu Tuilagi on occasion, such was De Villiers' whole-hearted commitment. He was the only Springbok to echo their coach's intensity in the first-half, and thoroughly deserved to grab their second try after a massive game in which he led from the front. 8/10.

12 Frans Steyn: Provided the physicality that Meyer clearly felt he needed in the backline, performing the duty of full-time battering ram. It was predictable, but he generally got over the advantage line to keep the momentum going and have a bruising effect on the English defence. 6/10.

11 Bryan Habana: At the start of the season there was a feeling that while Habana had added a new solidity to his game, the spark of old had probably gone. But his performances both last week against the Bulls and then in this game proved that he's back to his absolute best, fielding the high ball, slicing through defences and putting in huge hits. 9/10.

10 Morné Steyn: Although his three missed kicks kept England in the game in the third quarter, generally Steyn did what he does best. In the first-half his up-and-unders were superb, continually putting the English back-three under pressure from the advancing Habana. And as the Boks began to find space in the second half, his distribution improved. 6/10.

9 François Hougaard: Fourie who? True, Hougaard's box-kicking was not quite at the level of Du Preez's, and he was a little slow to deliver the ball from the back of the ruck at times (often because he was getting slow ball himself). But otherwise he caught the eye in a performance characterised by sniping runs and some immense defence. His covering tackle on Chris Ashton in the 32nd minute was crucial. 8/10.

8 Pierre Spies: More or less what you would expect from Spies, who provided a trusty option at the back of the line-out, a highly physical brand of defence and also helped out during the aerial bombardment in the first half. 7/10.

7 Willem Alberts: One of the most common images from the game was of an England player driving up the middle, only to be manhandled in a backwards direction by South Africa's number seven. But while Alberts' strong defence and burly charges with the ball were his most obvious contributions in a man-of-the-match display, his offload to Jannie du Plessis was the key that unlocked the English defence for the Springboks' first try. 9/10.

6 Marcell Coetzee: Had a strong game defensively, but was at times conspicuous by his absence at the breakdown, which England dominated in the first half. Coetzee also conceded a blatant penalty which led to England's second score of the match, but he did improve as the game went on. He was picked to be physical, rather than to turn balls over, and for the most part he was effective in doing his job. 6/10.

5 Juandré Kruger: It may be years before he is able to set foot on a field without commentators rating him against Bakkies Botha, so the good thing for Kruger is that he doesn't stack up too unfavourably against the man whose shoes he's trying to fill. Made a complete hash of one lineout, but otherwise he was a dependable target and regularly drove the English back in defence. 7/10.

4 Eben Etzebeth: Conceded the penalty that allowed England to open the scoring and was also turned over a couple of times, but otherwise it was an accomplished debut for such a young lock, who was reliable at the front of the lineout. 7/10.

3 Jannie du Plessis: Not as dominant in the scrum as his replacement in the second-half, but then Du Plessis generally offers more than just strong scrummaging - he's a handy ball carrier, as seen when he swooped on Alberts' offload to storm through the English defence and in the build-up to South Africa's first try. 6/10.

2 Bismarck du Plessis: An assured start to what looks likely to be a long reign in the Bok number two jersey. As well as his usual barnstorming runs and strength at the breakdown, Du Plessis was accurate at line-out time and looked a more composed character than the one we saw last year. 8/10.

1 Tendai Mtawarira: A fairly quiet match in which he struggled to make serious yards, but he didn't put a foot wrong really. 6/10.

Replacements:

16 Adriaan Strauss: Made a noticeable impact both in the scrums and with ball in hand after coming on for the last 15 minutes. 6/10.

17 Coenie Oosthuizen: Absolutely destroyed the English scrum in the last 20 minutes, so the opposing front row won't forget him in a hurry. 8/10.

18 Flip van der Merwe: Solid in the lineout after coming off the bench. 5/10.

19 Keegan Daniel: A very late replacement for Coetzee.

20 Ruan Pienaar: Fluffed one box-kick but otherwise he was a fairly silky replacement for Hougaard. 6/10.

21 Patrick Lambie: A half-time replacement for Kirchner, he got into the game more often than the Bulls man as South Africa looked to be more attacking. 7/10.

22 Wynand Olivier: Came on and off at various stages, but had little involvement.
 
Really does show how laughable the comments are of those who claim Willem Alberts was crap.... also adds credence to the argument of many who state Lambie seems a better bet at fullback than Kirchner.

Finally, it also shows how opinions differ even amongst the experts. People obviously focus on different aspects. One gives Hougaard an 8, the other a 5!
 
Last edited:
1. Beast 6 Solid, carried the ball well but expected a few more metres from him, didn't quite impose physically the way we expect the big man to

2. Bismarck 8 His usual rampaging self, a few bollocking runs, the occasional turnover, knocking a few Englishmen backwards and solid lineout ball considering he had 2 new locks to aim at.

3. Jannie 6, nice break in the 2nd half, never knew Jannie could move that quick. Needs to impose more physically, absent in the tight loose and clean outs

4. Eben 7 Great debut young man, hard to believe this 2.03m 120kg beast is only 21!! Bakkies in the making.

5. Juandre 7 Looked at home, did well in the lineouts, never looked overawed, never looked out of his depth, solid

6. Marcel 6.5 Tried hard the entire match, good on defense and deceptively quick, solid debut

7. Willem 8.5 This sort of physical presents is rare. You either can run through a brick wall or you cant. He can!!

8. Pierre 6.5 Has never been the same since his illness. Plays like a man who cannot afford to get hurt. Sad cause even at 70% he is better than the worlds best playing at 110%

9. Hougaard 5 Yes he made a super human try saving tackle on Ashton but that tunnel ball BS, WTF is that??!!! Has no place in the modern game!! Francois looked a yard short the entire match. Are our expectations of him too great? Perhaps, he is all class but yesterday he appeared to be trying too hard.

11. Habana 9 MOM IMHO, brilliant on defense and attack, 2 of his breaks resulted in tries, enough said.

10. Morne 6 Kicking let him down, tactical was good, defense was good, he even made a few metres but goal kicking, woeful by his incredibly high standards.

12. Frans Steyn 7 thought he was poor on attack until Barrit went off, then space opened up for him. Would prefer Jean at 12 and Juan at 13. Defensively though he was massive all afternoon.

13. Jean 7.5 Solid, captaincy suits him, committed on defense and attack, prefer him at 12 though, between Frans and Jean they kept Tuilagi quiet and that's no mean feat!!!

14 JP 5 Nowhere yesterday. Hasn't been all that convincing this season so far, still finding his form and rhythm I suspect.

15. Zane 6 Thought he was relatively solid, he didn't really put a foot wrong when many probably expected him to fail. I thought he showed the necessary desire, commitment and effort required on the day!!

Replacements:

17. Coenie 8 He looks as at home packing in the Bok front row as Zuma does at a wedding ceremony!!! You get players who always look hungry for action and are looking for work, Coenie is one who is never gatvol.

16. Strauss 6 Had a reasonable 30 minutes odd. Lineout ball not going 5 metres to Coenie was possibly his only fault on the day.

18. Flip 6 That he avoided being binned earns him an automatic 3 pts. He had a reasonable outing. He's another who is deceptively quick and if we think Alberts on a bollocking run at full tilt is devastating, Flip given the opportunity could be just as destructive.

19 Keegan 5 7 minutes is not long enough to make an impression

21 Lambie 6 Probably needs to start next Saturday, very talented, very skillful but a bit over rated IMHO.

20. Ruan 7 Looked sharp, could have taken over the kicking duties from Morne had he started, he has definitely matured playing abroad and looks a lot more composed than a season or2 ago.

22. Wynand Would be unfair to crit, not enough game time
 
Last edited:
4. Eben 7 Great debut young man, hard to believe this 2.03m 120kg beast is only 21!! Bakkies in the making.

+1 I agree the most with your ratings (vs the other ratings).

Only thing I have to point out, Eben is only 20. ;):D Legend in the making...
 
Really does show how laughable the comments are of those who claim Willem Alberts was crap.... also adds credence to the argument of many who state Lambie seems a better bet at fullback than Kirchner.

Finally, it also shows how opinions differ even amongst the experts. People obviously focus on different aspects. One gives Hougaard an 8, the other a 5!

Imho Kirchner silenced more critics than giving them fire power as he did nothing wrong and even showed a spark once or twice.
I wonder if the Bok brain trust is going to shape him (Lambie) into a Super Sub where he covers no. 10 and 15.

Can not remember anyone saying that Alberts was crap, but I know that I did say that he has had a below par run in the Super series thus far.

As to Hougaard, I really think that he had bad day at the office. His strongest trait is not the kicking game, and Pienaar also had a charge down against one of his kicks, showing that the poms were really gunning for the charge downs from the no. 9s.

This comment from Planet rugby left me with a :wtf:

5 Juandré Kruger: It may be years before he is able to set foot on a field without commentators rating him against Bakkies Botha, so the good thing for Kruger is that he doesn't stack up too unfavourably against the man whose shoes he's trying to fill. Made a complete hash of one lineout, but otherwise he was a dependable target and regularly drove the English back in defence. 7/10.

Erm Kruger is not stepping into Bakkies' shoes.... he is trying to fill Matfield's shoes.... As far as I know Bakkies played no.4 and never called the line outs... :p
 
Imho Kirchner silenced more critics than giving them fire power as he did nothing wrong and even showed a spark once or twice.
I wonder if the Bok brain trust is going to shape him (Lambie) into a Super Sub where he covers no. 10 and 15.

Probably. They have ruined the careers of many a promising player by doing so - Brent Russel, Ruan Pienaar, Frans Steyn. Luckily the latter two have had staying power and are making a comeback. Interesting side note that they are all Sharks players...

Can not remember anyone saying that Alberts was crap, but I know that I did say that he has had a below par run in the Super series thus far.

Read through the thread.

As to Hougaard, I really think that he had bad day at the office. His strongest trait is not the kicking game, and Pienaar also had a charge down against one of his kicks, showing that the poms were really gunning for the charge downs from the no. 9s.

I agree, I was just pointing out the vast difference in ratings from two sources for the same player in the same match. There was that weird tactic being implemented at the base of the rucks that I still could not fathom. Let's see if it disappears next match.
 
Probably. They have ruined the careers of many a promising player by doing so - Brent Russel, Ruan Pienaar, Frans Steyn. Luckily the latter two have had staying power and are making a comeback. Interesting side note that they are all Sharks players...

Haha, also thought about that once or twice.

I actually think that they should train Lambie as a fullback and be done with it.

Read through the thread.

I am very active in the rugby section and I don't remember it but I will take your word for it as I am not going to read through 300 post again :p

I agree, I was just pointing out the vast difference in ratings from two sources for the same player in the same match. There was that weird tactic being implemented at the base of the rucks that I still could not fathom. Let's see if it disappears next match.

I agree. Don't know what they tried but it did not do us a lot of good.
 
Well I thought the Poms played exceptionally well.
I was pretty surprise, they were great at the rucks, and they have a good replacement for Jonny W.

That Tuilagi has probably noticed now that we're kinda used to his type from the Super 15, so the hype should probably die down.


Hopefully Dirtbin won't be getting any more tests EVER, quite disappointing to see 1000's of empty seats there.
 
Funny, I see the same thing when it's ****ty weather at our other venues too :rolleyes:


OT - I'm glad to see so far there are no reports of injuries. Always a good thing, means we can dominate like we did in the 2nd half from the get go in the next test. If one or two needed changes are made of course.
 
Well I thought the Poms played exceptionally well.
I was pretty surprise, they were great at the rucks, and they have a good replacement for Jonny W.

That Tuilagi has probably noticed now that we're kinda used to his type from the Super 15, so the hype should probably die down.


Hopefully Dirtbin won't be getting any more tests EVER, quite disappointing to see 1000's of empty seats there.

I don't suppose you were there were you? I was and I can tell you for the weather that we had to sit through there were still tons of people at the game. The next time it rains at Newlands during a test go have a look how many seats are empty.
 
Top
Sign up to the MyBroadband newsletter
X