Springboks vs England 2012 - 3 Test tour

11. JP Pietersen
7. Siya Kolisi ( I like!)
4. Eben Etsebeth or Juandre Kruger?
3. Coenie Oosthuizen, Jannie du Plessis or Werner Kruger?
2. Do not write off Tian Liebenberg or Chiliboy Ralaphele!

I am a Stormers supporter, but I don't think Tian (Tiaan?) Liebenberg should be considered. I don't know, but he just doesn't do it for me. When Bismarck gets the ball he always seems to go forward and Chilliboy turns over a lot of balls. Liebenberg to me doesn't have a standout extra.

But who knows, you will probably get out a chart with meters gained and turn overs and Tian will be the leader on both of those.
 
I am a Stormers supporter, but I don't think Tian (Tiaan?) Liebenberg should be considered. I don't know, but he just doesn't do it for me. When Bismarck gets the ball he always seems to go forward and Chilliboy turns over a lot of balls. Liebenberg to me doesn't have a standout extra.

But who knows, you will probably get out a chart with meters gained and turn overs and Tian will be the leader on both of those.
I know he heads the turnover chart! :p
 
How can I not see this and I watch all of his games - I must really not like him. I need to do some introspection.
I remembered reading it last night :D http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Super15/S15-Tiaan-is-turnover-king-20120522

Cape Town – Stormers hooker Tiaan Liebenberg has climbed to joint-top of the charts for most turnovers in Super Rugby after Week 13.

The burly Liebenberg, following his team’s latest, hard-earned victory over the Waratahs at Newlands, heads the statistics in that category alongside Tom McCartney, who also wears the No 2 shirt for the ailing Blues – they have reportedly executed 29 turnovers each.

Another hooker, Springbok Bismarck du Plessis, who put in a big showing for the Sharks in their Bloemfontein triumph over the Cheetahs despite getting another 10 minutes in the sin bin, lies joint fourth on 26 with the Highlanders’ ever-industrious flank Adam Thomson and, interestingly, a less likely customer in Bulls fullback Zane Kirchner.

The stats are issued weekly by Australian newspaper the Sydney Morning Herald.

What the latest figures do appear to indicate is that South African teams in the competition, generally speaking, still favour fairly conservative, kicking-conscious game plans.

The highest-placed South African player for “most run metres”, for example, lies in eighth spot – it is the bottom-placed Lions’ versatile backline player Jaco Taute (736m). All of the top seven slots are occupied by New Zealanders.

Bulls flyhalf Morne Steyn, by contrast, continues to boss most of the various kicking categories, including most tournament points with 167.

He has also been responsible for “most kicks” (112) with the Stormers’ fullback Joe Pietersen, who is often engaged in bouts of tactical ping-pong with rival kickers, next on 107.

For most kick metres, these two also head up proceedings: Steyn with 4,726m and Pietersen with 4,274.

There are also three South Africans among the top five for most tackles thus far: Marcell Coetzee of the Sharks is third with 168, the Stormers’ Siya Kolisi fourth (155) and Cheetahs’ Heinrich Brussow fifth (151).

The leaders here are Matt Todd of the Crusaders (178) and Western Force captain David Pocock (176).
 
I like Liebenberg allot, even old Willie Wepner
But Bismarck is simply the best, he could work on his lineouts a little, but besides that he’s overall gameplay is fantastic, he does however seem to like giving away penalties, luckily Scalk is injured or else they could have a penalty derby :D
 
Strangely, I was just reading this on R15 before even seeing the post here:

15. Patrick Lambie: I like (Lambie is not a fakin fullback/I would choose JP Pietersen/Frans Steyn (Aplon as backup)
14. Bjorn Basson: Agreed (Habana all the way, Basson has no experience at the highest level
13. Jean de Villiers: Will he be (C)? Merit his selection
12. Frans Steyn: If only. Hell, I hope he is gonna be there (I would make de Jong the backup centre or start him)
11. Gio Aplon: Saturday - Merit his selection
10. Morne Steyn: or Lambie/Grant
9. Francois Hougaard: ...are obvious
8. Pierre Spies: Vermeulen would have been my 1st choice
7. Siya Kolisi: Merit his selection
6. Heinrich Brussow: another obvious one
5. Andries Bekker: Merit his selection
4. Eben Etzebeth: acceptable
3. Coenie Oosthuizen: dunno...
2. Bismarck du Plessis: also, obvious
1. Beast Mtawarira: If he can keep himself in one piece.

Good team IMO
 
You can take it as read – Fourie du Preez will be at the helm of the Springboks when they start Heyneke Meyer’s tenure as coach against England at Kings Park in Durban on 9 June

Unbelievable ......... out of form, playing in Japanese league and he gets handed the captaincy. Mickey mouse decision if ever there was one. A huge fsck you to the likes of Hougaard and the other 9's, we'll have a has been instead.
 
At least its only for the June tests, still would of thought he would of gone with someone like Jean de Villiers.
 
Unbelievable ......... out of form, playing in Japanese league and he gets handed the captaincy. Mickey mouse decision if ever there was one. A huge fsck you to the likes of Hougaard and the other 9's, we'll have a has been instead.

To be fair I would not bring either Mcleod or Duvenhage close to the Bok team.

I do however feel that we should move on, but I can also understand what Meyer is doing.
At the moment we lack experienced senior players and someone that knows what the presure is like.
I wonder who will be VC.
 
To be fair I would not bring either Mcleod or Duvenhage close to the Bok team.

I do however feel that we should move on, but I can also understand what Meyer is doing.
At the moment we lack experienced senior players and someone that knows what the presure is like.
I wonder who will be VC.

no wonder sa rugby will never come right with the mentality that we have. you don't see the all blacks or the aussies do it. if the player can perform at the highest level he gets pick irrespective how old he is or if its 1st senior year. now we have good players like ebersohn, ashley johnson and sarel pretorius leave because they don't get recognision. if you don't play for the bulls or the sharks then its hard to make the bok setup.

fakin meyer must think of building for the next world cup and not about beating a poor england team. we have enough young talent to beat the poms easily at home. cricket is the same where they will play donald and pollock until they in their moer.
pick the yongsters now to gain experience before the tri-nations and then choose the players that stepped up agains the english with your more experienced players. now he wants to bring players out of retirement. people have their knives out already for meyer for picking a springbulls team. if he start losing he will be even more under pressure. guess only time will tell.
 
no wonder sa rugby will never come right with the mentality that we have. you don't see the all blacks or the aussies do it. if the player can perform at the highest level he gets pick irrespective how old he is or if its 1st senior year. now we have good players like ebersohn, ashley johnson and sarel pretorius leave because they don't get recognision. if you don't play for the bulls or the sharks then its hard to make the bok setup.

fakin meyer must think of building for the next world cup and not about beating a poor england team. we have enough young talent to beat the poms easily at home. cricket is the same where they will play donald and pollock until they in their moer.
pick the yongsters now to gain experience before the tri-nations and then choose the players that stepped up agains the english with your more experienced players. now he wants to bring players out of retirement. people have their knives out already for meyer for picking a springbulls team. if he start losing he will be even more under pressure. guess only time will tell.

I do not agree as I have never seen the ABs not have a couple of experienced players. Example - Sonny Bill Williams was the "hottest" Super rugby player last season but the ABs did not start him.

The youngsters will get their chance and I doubt if Meyer would have tried to pick so many experienced players IF he did not only have 7 days to prepare for a test series...

Kopite I do not know if you know this but Meyer is not scared to pick the youngsters as he proved time and again, Steyn, Hougaard, any number of players that started as "no names" at the Bulls and turned out to be Bok material.

Read this article: http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/EnglandinSA/Fourie-du-Preez-to-hit-ground-running-20120530

As said:"Hougaard is the future".
 
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Bekker is out :(

So now we are 10 to 1 going to be playing two greenhorns at lock.
 
I still rate Juandre Kruger. And believe he is the perfect man to take on the Poms. Even if Bekker was fit I would still pick Kruger ahead of him.

Remember that he spent a few years playing in Europe so he knows the character and playing style of the European players. Just what we need for the poms. Also why we need Frans Steyn back. And sort of why I would pick Ruan Pienaar ahead of someone like Fourie du Preez or other scrummies.

Come Four-Nations time I will do a little tweaking.
 
I am off to the game in Durban!!!! If i was coach this is the team i would pick:1 Tendai Mtawarira 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 5 Juandre Kruger, 6 Heinrich Brüssow,7 Willem Alberts,8 Joshua Strauss, 9 Francois Hougaard,10 Morne Steyn, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 12 Frans Steyn, 13 Robert Ebersohn, 14 JP Pietersen,15 Patrick Lambie

Let me know what you guys think?
 
I am off to the game in Durban!!!! If i was coach this is the team i would pick:1 Tendai Mtawarira 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 5 Juandre Kruger, 6 Heinrich Brüssow,7 Willem Alberts,8 Joshua Strauss, 9 Francois Hougaard,10 Morne Steyn, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 12 Frans Steyn, 13 Robert Ebersohn, 14 JP Pietersen,15 Patrick Lambie

Let me know what you guys think?

Not bad but I might have Bash at 10 and Jean deV at 13.

We need experience against the english. Also Jannie de Plessis is blowing hot and cold imo this season.
 
One thing i can guarantee is that Jean Dev, Francois Hougaard, Bismarck du Plessis, Fourie Du Preez will play no question about this. I would like to see Jaco Taute to play (I see so much potential there) but he is injured. I am worried about our locks :cry:
 
One thing i can guarantee is that Jean Dev, Francois Hougaard, Bismarck du Plessis, Fourie Du Preez will play no question about this. I would like to see Jaco Taute to play (I see so much potential there) but he is injured. I am worried about our locks :cry:

Well, experienced inform locks is the problem.

Also now we do not have a solid "line out kingpin" :(

Still think we have more than enough talent to see at least a 2-1 series win.
 
If Strauss didn't making the starting line up (also schools be considered for captain ;)), then he should be on the bench.
 
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