Lambie is nothing special, just solid. Is it just me or do you have to be pretty SPECIAL to be in the springbok team? At fullback I want a guy who can deal with the high ball, returns kicks well and make incisive defense splitting runs. Aplon and Joe P tick all those boxes and slowpoke Lambie certainly doesn't.
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Springboks vs England 2012 - 3 Test tour
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KOPITE
Executive Member
Surely Frans Steyn is a better fullback then Lambie. he is a flyhalf who is played out of position to cater for Morne Steyn. this was the opportunity for Meyer to play the fringe players in their correct positions for the next 3 games against the poms. if we lose, then we lose, but we will see which if the guys can stepup or standout. SA Rugby is going through a stage where we building again like the Aussies and the All Blacks did. forget about winning all the time. the most important thing now is getting the young guys ready for the future and the next RWC.
1.I like Rassie, but as a coach he has not really achieved anything, but i will love to have him as a technical advisor or forwards coach.
2.Naka Drotské, i can’t argue that he does very well each season if you take his situation into consideration.
3.Nick Mallet, i have always rated him highly, he still holds the record alongside Kitch for 17 matches won in a row, he is probably the only one i would have considered selecting above H’M
4.Jake White, as with PDV, don’t like him and never will, as you have mentioned with HM, Jake white was at the right place at the right time, look at the players he had to work with against someone like Rudolph Strauli had at his WC campaign, lets also not forget, in 2007 the boks had a VERY lucky draw.
5.HM, you say his success was on the back of some of the finest players, Bakkies, Pierre, Victor, Fourie....but you seem to forget that he brought up all these players, when HM started with the bulls they sucked big time, hell i was even considering supporting the Lions at that stage...no one can deny what HM has done at the bulls, he normally sees something in a player and goes with that, and until this far hê has picked the fruit..
I agree Gio deserved his place, how HM decided JJ Engelbrecht is beter, and how meisiekind is beter than Juan de Jong, i really don’t know
Jano Vermaak i understand, i remember that last few seasons that he played for the Lions, each and every season i felt he deserved to play for the boks, besides Ruan Pienaar and Hougaard i really cannot say any other scrum half is beter than him.
Elton Jantjes has a good attacking game, if he plays for the boks i can’t see that he will get the kicking duties, they will give Lambie the kicking responsibility, but we all know Steyn will be first choice flyhalf, but Elton is not all that bad, maybe not his best season
Kanko, jaaa, i don’t know, i rate allot op guys beter than him, luckily Keegan and spies is there
I don’t like Flip van der Merwe, would be interesting to see how many penalties he has given away this season.
All and all, like allot of people has said, no one will be completely happy with the selection, everyone will have a different team and mixed feeling about certain players, but i will put my trust in HM, if he feels Kanko, meisiekind and Enchelbrech deserves to be there, i will respect his decision, lets judge HM after the 3 matches rather than before
2.Naka Drotské, i can’t argue that he does very well each season if you take his situation into consideration.
3.Nick Mallet, i have always rated him highly, he still holds the record alongside Kitch for 17 matches won in a row, he is probably the only one i would have considered selecting above H’M
4.Jake White, as with PDV, don’t like him and never will, as you have mentioned with HM, Jake white was at the right place at the right time, look at the players he had to work with against someone like Rudolph Strauli had at his WC campaign, lets also not forget, in 2007 the boks had a VERY lucky draw.
5.HM, you say his success was on the back of some of the finest players, Bakkies, Pierre, Victor, Fourie....but you seem to forget that he brought up all these players, when HM started with the bulls they sucked big time, hell i was even considering supporting the Lions at that stage...no one can deny what HM has done at the bulls, he normally sees something in a player and goes with that, and until this far hê has picked the fruit..
I agree Gio deserved his place, how HM decided JJ Engelbrecht is beter, and how meisiekind is beter than Juan de Jong, i really don’t know
Jano Vermaak i understand, i remember that last few seasons that he played for the Lions, each and every season i felt he deserved to play for the boks, besides Ruan Pienaar and Hougaard i really cannot say any other scrum half is beter than him.
Elton Jantjes has a good attacking game, if he plays for the boks i can’t see that he will get the kicking duties, they will give Lambie the kicking responsibility, but we all know Steyn will be first choice flyhalf, but Elton is not all that bad, maybe not his best season
Kanko, jaaa, i don’t know, i rate allot op guys beter than him, luckily Keegan and spies is there
I don’t like Flip van der Merwe, would be interesting to see how many penalties he has given away this season.
All and all, like allot of people has said, no one will be completely happy with the selection, everyone will have a different team and mixed feeling about certain players, but i will put my trust in HM, if he feels Kanko, meisiekind and Enchelbrech deserves to be there, i will respect his decision, lets judge HM after the 3 matches rather than before
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I do not agree with you. F Steyn is a better inside centre than he is a fullback. Also where do you want your most gifted players? Returning a kick now and again or pretty much first receiver / second receiver?
Lambie will have to make way for Goosen at the moment at flyhalf. Play lambie at Fullback, F Steyn at no. 12 and Goosen, as soon as he gains some more explerience, at no. 10. Add to that Hougie at 9 and you have a line up that can be kept together till 2019 almost...
May I also ask who else is playing out of position as you refer to "them"?
As long as they don't come wiff da we run fru dem udder playhers, rather than running through the gaps mentality.
And please, please, pleeeeease... spare me from the climbing the posts idiots with I Love JC T-shirts
And please, please, pleeeeease... spare me from the climbing the posts idiots with I Love JC T-shirts
Ou grote
Honorary Master
ROFL
I do not agree with you. F Steyn is a better inside centre than he is a fullback. Also where do you want your most gifted players? Returning a kick now and again or pretty much first receiver / second receiver?
Lambie will have to make way for Goosen at the moment at flyhalf. Play lambie at Fullback, F Steyn at no. 12 and Goosen, as soon as he gains some more explerience, at no. 10. Add to that Hougie at 9 and you have a line up that can be kept together till 2019 almost...
May I also ask who else is playing out of position as you refer to "them"?
These days (since 22 man teams) you need to have players who can play in multiple positions.
We have plenty of back line and loose forward options.
The tight 5 are where our problems lie.
Oosthuizen can play both sides of the scrum.
Juandré Kruger can and has played Flank before.
Spies can play lock
I don’t think we have a problem
+1. We feel very thin at lock and we also need to start making a plan for tighthead prop as I really do not feel Jannie is the solution.
For sure, Jannie is a good sub at best, Oosthuizen is the best in SA, if we look outside SA then BJ Botha is the best.
But i don’t think we have a problem, and again, should something happen to Kruger or any other lock, we can still push on Danie or Bakkie's button.
i really don’t think we have a problem on any position, the only area we are thin on is Centre, Jaques Fourie leaves a big gap that Jean can hopefully cover, but if something was to happen to Frans/Jean, i can hardly see meisiekind or even Juan de Jong filling the boots
Ou grote
Honorary Master
I'm talking about country wide, not just the selected players.
We have 6 okes who can play at fly half, or full back or centre, about 15 loose forwards.
But do we have 5 guys who can pay prop or 5 good hookers?
Well at least we have 3 good hookers. Stauss, Chilliboy, Bismarck.
@Lament - we must get the younger guys into the setup as come WC 2015 Danie and Bakkies will not be playing.
But the lock position is really worrying me
Yes, i think so
Hooker
1.Bismark
2.Ralepele
3.Straus
4.Liebenberg
5.Deon Fourie
Prop
1.Beast
2.WP Nel
3.C.Oosthuizen
4.W.Kruger
5.CJ van der Linde
6.BJ Botha
7.H.van der Merwe
8.ou Jannie
9.B.Mujati (if it gets to that)
Ou grote
Honorary Master
Yes, i think so
Hooker
1.Bismark
2.Ralepele
3.Straus
4.Liebenberg
5.Deon Fourie
Prop
1.Beast
2.WP Nel
3.C.Oosthuizen
4.W.Kruger
5.CJ van der Linde
6.BJ Botha
7.H.van der Merwe
8.ou Jannie
9.B.Mujati (if it gets to that)
I can't say I remember seeing most of those guys playing for the boks...
Ja, Coz old Pdivvy opted to go for Jannie/Beast.
Hopefully that will change in the comming months
KOPITE
Executive Member
ROFL
I do not agree with you. F Steyn is a better inside centre than he is a fullback. Also where do you want your most gifted players? Returning a kick now and again or pretty much first receiver / second receiver?
Lambie will have to make way for Goosen at the moment at flyhalf. Play lambie at Fullback, F Steyn at no. 12 and Goosen, as soon as he gains some more explerience, at no. 10. Add to that Hougie at 9 and you have a line up that can be kept together till 2019 almost...
May I also ask who else is playing out of position as you refer to "them"?
Well if Frans Steyn is a better midfielder then de Jongh i will leave de Jongh as the backup midfielder. i really don't rate lambie at fullback. apart for his kicking Aplon is way more better allround player then Lambie. The best full back on form is Pietersen, but he is injured atm. Lambie will just have to wait in the qeue for the No. 10 jersey.
Hougaard is a very good player, but looked very ordinary when the Stormers worked the Bulls game. he was neutralised the whole game and never had an opportunity to run riot against the Stormers. I would also put Grant as No.2 as flyhalf. he has been consistent the whole season.
I feel Lambie is better than Joe for the future (also joe is out atm).
Grant should be no. 2 flyhalf yes.
The whole bulls team played poorly the last weekend, if you want to make a call on one game then the lions should be taking on the English.....
KOPITE
Executive Member
Lambie is still young and can be moulded as a utility player, but play your best fullback imo. joe came back from france a better player. his allround game has improved dramatically. i just feel lambie will be found wanting against better teams with his positional play. we will see how he does if he gets picked at fullback.
Mephisto_Helix
Resident Postwhore
Yeah, anyone who thinks CJ, BJ and Mujati should play for the Boks needs medication. They have never impressed and CJ is now a dirty penalty machine too.
Well if you took your medication the last few months you would know BJ is regarded as one of the best tight head props in the Europe
Brian Mujati is also highly rated in the UK where he plays for the saints, the papers in the UK criticized SA for not selecting him for the WC
CJ is also still more than capable and will not disappoint, pretty sure he is still beter than Jannie
Please know your sport before making retarded statements
And please show me where i said CJ or Mujati MUST play?, i said we have depth if we need to go that route (Beast/Oosthuizen gets injured)
Without injuries the team would have had 3 bulls, 7 sharks, and 5 stormers.
1 Beast
2 Bismark
3 jannie
4 Estebeth
5 Bekker
6 Marcel
7 Alberts
8 Duane
9 Hougaard
10 Morne
11 Habana
12 Steyn
13 Jean
14 JP
15 Kirschner
1 Beast
2 Bismark
3 jannie
4 Estebeth
5 Bekker
6 Marcel
7 Alberts
8 Duane
9 Hougaard
10 Morne
11 Habana
12 Steyn
13 Jean
14 JP
15 Kirschner
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