Telkom local loop unbundling stalling and FTTH: the bright side

Beri said:
it is going to take years to get fiber to all houses. This is not a good thing.
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If we had true LLU, there would be no fibre. And there are many areas that are no longer serviced by copper lines, even in the cities. These will then never really get serviced.
 
Beri said:
not true. They did the same in EU and they got fiber.
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What incentive would the providers here have to roll out fibre, if they can just use the local loop at a lower cost? Perhaps in the long term (10-20 years), but not in the short term. Also, this will not solve the no-copper issue.
 
Valerion said:
What incentive would the providers here have to roll out fibre, if they can just use the local loop at a lower cost? Perhaps in the long term (10-20 years), but not in the short term. Also, this will not solve the no-copper issue.
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How about demand(now and in the future) for bandwidth intensive applications and content?Surely they would not have sat on their laurels for the next 10-20 years riding on Telkom's copper network whilst technological advances are happening all around them.

In the meantime the country is crying out for competition and lower costs for broadband and I believe LLU in the short-term will satisfy this whilst the fibre networks are being rolled out.Eventually demand would/will force the other Telco's hand's if they want to stay in business and be relevant.
 
siraman said:
In the meantime the country is crying out for competition and lower costs for broadband and I believe LLU in the short-term will satisfy this whilst the fibre networks are being rolled out.Eventually demand would/will force the other Telco's hand's if they want to stay in business and be relevant.
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LLU in the short-term will not be cheaper. Probably just the opposite.
 
MickeyD said:
LLU in the short-term will not be cheaper. Probably just the opposite.
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its also not going to happen in the short-term unless Telkom changes its mind
also i am not sure the business case remains for a lot of the access seekers who's first order of business after unbundling was targeting the affluent areas - the same areas now seeing fibre deployments
 
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Beri said:
it is going to take years to get fiber to all houses. This is not a good thing.
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the short-to-medium term solution is affordable wireless access, mainly through the mobile networks
the copper access network is not to all houses and the number of copper connections has been falling for years, so copper and LLU which is specific to the copper network was never going to be part of that solution
 
Valerion said:
If we had true LLU, there would be no fibre. And there are many areas that are no longer serviced by copper lines, even in the cities. These will then never really get serviced.
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i think the pace of deployment of fibre in access networks would have been slower but fibre deployments would still be increasing
 
dominic said:
its also not going to happen in the short-term unless Telkom changes its mind
also i am not sure the business case remains for a lot of the access seekers who's first order of business after unbundling was targeting the affluent areas - the same areas now seeing fibre deployments
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I fully agree with you (and your views). We both know that LLU won't happen soon.

What I would like to see is facilities leasing... applicable to all network operators. The duplication of costs to build and maintain networks in exactly the same place is harming us consumers!
 
Telkom is either going to waste millions by sitting on a 'pile' of aging copper, or open it to wholesale and give it a major (and profitable) new lease of life.

Telkom should recall that watershed day when MWeb first outsold their own channel on ADSL subscribers. That was the start of a whole new business for them, and all they have to do is build on that, do what must be done to inject life into a great, but constrained business.
 
Chris.Geerdts said:
Telkom is either going to waste millions by sitting on a 'pile' of aging copper, or open it to wholesale and give it a major (and profitable) new lease of life.
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It's being recommended to them on MANY occasions to spin off the access network into a wholly owned subsidiary (eg. OpenReach model).

Telkom should recall that watershed day when MWeb first outsold their own channel on ADSL subscribers.
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Elucidation, please.
 
What about the businesses that never started or failed because of the high cost? LLU not happening isn't something that's good in the long run. We are just falling more and more behind the world with every day that passes. The part of the equation that seems to be forgotten is that access to the local loop doesn't magically give ISPs a presence. They would still need to roll out infrastructure to the areas or lease it. They can reuse that infrastructure to provide fibre services but LLU would give them an extra incentive for rolling out. Currently only a few affluent areas have fibre access. It will take decades for widely available fibre access and even then most areas will likely never get it.

We NEED LLU as fast as possible.
 
Swa said:
What about the businesses that never started or failed because of the high cost? LLU not happening isn't something that's good in the long run. We are just falling more and more behind the world with every day that passes. The part of the equation that seems to be forgotten is that access to the local loop doesn't magically give ISPs a presence. They would still need to roll out infrastructure to the areas or lease it. They can reuse that infrastructure to provide fibre services but LLU would give them an extra incentive for rolling out.
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fair enough

Currently only a few affluent areas have fibre access. It will take decades for widely available fibre access and even then most areas will likely never get it.

We NEED LLU as fast as possible.
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then most areas will not have fixed connectivity - LLU is not a magic solution to lack of fixed access
 
LLU should enable naked DSL, since Telkom is unable to realize that the R170 for a analog phone, is also hampering adoption of DSL.
 
I agree to a certain extent with this article though
 
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