Agreed very well priced! If it wasn't the wife's turn to buy a car I would probably have ordered one
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Agreed very well priced! If it wasn't the wife's turn to buy a car I would probably have ordered one
I actually thought they would sell for close to R400k before the pricing was announced.
Went for the test drive today. The car is beautifully balanced and I can see why the reviewers loved it. BUT, for the highveld it needs a turbo! Not enough power
Is a turbo version planned or are all model going to have 147kW? My current 2.0 Audi does 110kW and I do find it quite underpowered, but prefer the power delivery over any turbo powered car I have driven. Must say the 135kW 320i is very nice, and plenty quick up in Johannesburg. Might give the scooby version of this a go, I've always wanted a scoob!! Lets hope the price is quite similar.
The toyota is actually a scoob with a different badge.
Fazda
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Subaru will be more expensive if you can get one - only 8 coming in to the country this year, and then very limited after that.
Turbo is not available on either car at this stage, though an STi version has been talked about by Subaru - it's not available in Japan yet, so who knows if and when if it will ever reach SA.
It still is beyond me why everyone is getting hysterical about 147 kw. That is a hell of a lot of power for a very lightweight sports car, which is what it is. If 0- 100 in around 7 seconds and a 220 top speed is too slow, then I give up.
Who ever does flat out 0 - 100 drags anyway, unless you are some pimple faced street dragger?
Having driven one, fairly hard ~ it goes like hell and I haven't had that much fun in a car since driving a WRX.
Brenden_E
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This might be true at sea level - drive it at altitude and you will understand. No way it's 0-100 in 7 sec up here. TBH it felt more like 9-10 second time to me. And unless you ref it at 6000 RPM it doesn't go that well. It's is a very brilliant drive though when it gets going.
We had 7 guys there to test drive it this morning. Not one was sold on buying it because of the lack power :\
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If you thinking like that then you dont understand the point of the 86/BRZ. Its brilliant for its price and its cheapish parts make it cheap to maintain... in other words if you can afford this car you can afford to keep it. Its tyres are fairly small so that cost effective, small engine fairly cost effective (toyota quotes 7.2l/100km but i would say realistically combined about 10l/100km). What they have done is simple they have provided you with a good looking coupe at a cheap price its your job to beef it up. Toyota sold canvas so you make the painting.
Its meant to be treated like a VW golf. I spoke to toyota the other day the BRZ is coming with a chip mod but you can take your 86 to subaru and it doesnt avoid your warranty ect. Im waiting for the high end and im going to put the TRD exhaust systems on it (4 pipe) and a few other awesome cosmetic features on it. Once its out of warranty and stuff I will turn it into my toy and buy like a hyundai sedan for practical use. Personally I despise a single turbo system, bi-turbo FTW less lag.... though if you looked under that bonet I wonder where you gonna fit anything rofl
Its meant for people who want:
a - a toy
b - student/young guy wanting to look awesome
c - a poor man's porsche
Though I must admit Im liking this car, going to trade in my e39 german spec 525i with AC schitner conversion ... sad day that will be. Though at least with the toyota I wont have to pay R3000 per tyre, and be charged R2000 per cup holder and R1200 per spark plug
the same reason why I changing to toyota why must I buy a porsche cayman or an m3 and break my head when I can look just as good at a fraction of the price, and dont give me that exclusive nonsense cause every 4th bmw i see these days is a m3 ....It will fit.
Brenden_E
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That's what she said...
Quantum Theory
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I see it is the centrepiece on the new TG mag cover...
Haldex
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Lol at Fazda defending the drag racing factor.
I doubt Bentley, Merc or BMW are meant for drag racing yet they can still pull off an awesome 0-100 time.
I doubt Bentley, Merc or BMW are meant for drag racing yet they can still pull off an awesome 0-100 time.
If you thinking like that then you dont understand the point of the 86/BRZ. Its brilliant for its price and its cheapish parts make it cheap to maintain... in other words if you can afford this car you can afford to keep it. Its tyres are fairly small so that cost effective, small engine fairly cost effective (toyota quotes 7.2l/100km but i would say realistically combined about 10l/100km). What they have done is simple they have provided you with a good looking coupe at a cheap price its your job to beef it up. Toyota sold canvas so you make the painting.
Its meant to be treated like a VW golf. I spoke to toyota the other day the BRZ is coming with a chip mod but you can take your 86 to subaru and it doesnt avoid your warranty ect. Im waiting for the high end and im going to put the TRD exhaust systems on it (4 pipe) and a few other awesome cosmetic features on it. Once its out of warranty and stuff I will turn it into my toy and buy like a hyundai sedan for practical use. Personally I despise a single turbo system, bi-turbo FTW less lag.... though if you looked under that bonet I wonder where you gonna fit anything rofl
Its meant for people who want:
a - a toy
b - student/young guy wanting to look awesome
c - a poor man's porsche
Though I must admit Im liking this car, going to trade in my e39 german spec 525i with AC schitner conversion ... sad day that will be. Though at least with the toyota I wont have to pay R3000 per tyre, and be charged R2000 per cup holder and R1200 per spark plug
You say the small engine makes it more fuel efficient, but the turbos do that even more??!?!?!
I am not doubting this will be an excellent little car, just stating that up here in Jhb naturally aspirated cars really struggle (hence the reference to the 2.0 naturally aspirated motor). Took a 320i (E90) down to the coast and it felt like a totally different car. The main benefit of the boxer is it should have an amazing engine note, and that might sell me on it!
Will wait for the High spec and go give this a test drive, it is probably quick enough. RiaX, out of curiosity, are you based in the Highveld?
Fazda, are Toyota offering an extension on the service plan to 5 years?
Fazda
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You really need to have some English Comprehension lessons - at no point did I defend the pimple faced twats who are in to drag racing.
@ phiber - yes you can extend both warranty and service plan.
Haldex
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Toyobaru Hype: We’ve Hit Peak Bull****
As if the absurdly hyperbolic headline “The day the world changed” wasn’t enough of a tip-off , the hype machine for the Toyobaru twins has officially reached its zenith, with Wheels magazine’s Peter Robinson declaring the Japanese-spec Toyota 86 to be superior to the Porsche Cayman.
Reading Robinson’s article, it’s as if I’d experienced a different car than the two FR-S’ I’d already driven. Robinson rhetorically muses on whether the transmission is “…the best manual gearchange ever” (Not a chance) and praises the Toyobaru’s steering as being better than the Cayman’s. If you want to feel like you’re driving Polyphony Digital’s approximation of what a Miata feels like, then yes, it’s wonderful. Reading the rest of the article, you’d think that this car could cure cancer, re-ignite the spark in your floundering marriage and make your hairline stop receding.
When I wrote my first article on the hype surrounding this car, I was partly dismayed because I was prepared to go and buy one, with my own money – not as some corporate (or freebie) long-term tester. The reviews I’d read beforehand led me to believe that this was the one we had all been waiting for, the affordable sports car that would set the competition on fire and usher in a new era of focused, rear-drive machines that a punk like me could realistically afford. I tempered my expectations, hoping it was merely a blast to drive, rather than the Second Coming of Christ, but even then, the experience left something to be desired.
Make no mistake; it’s a good car. We need cars like this, badly. It really is light, nimble and engaging, it looks sharp and it’s priced accessibly. And yet, I couldn’t really connect with the car. I began to empathize with the reviewers who felt that the original Lexus LS400 was a well-made simulacrum of a European luxury sedan, but without the essential intangibles that make the car a superlative experience rather than just “good”.
Some people seem to think that I have a particular axe to grind with this car, but that couldn’t be further from the truth. My issue is that the breathless praise of the Toyobaru is harmful to the car itself. The Toyobaru has numerous flaws that keep it from being truly great, but there’s no honor in obscuring them. The engine is a dud, there are instances of embarrassing corner-cutting evident in places that most people don’t look and the dynamics of the car feel more digital than analog – something that may be unavoidable in this era, but it remains a sore spot as long as the MX-5, with its hydraulic steering, frenetic I4 engine and unassailable manual gearbox exists in its current form. Even Randy Pobst, in his recent Motor Trend comparo, felt that the twins lagged behind the MX-5 in subjective driving pleasure.
From that vantage point, comparing it to a Cayman is asinine. The Cayman is better in every single respect, period. It’s also exponentially more expensive, built to a much higher standard and therefore, should be better. Robinson’s insistence to the contrary is disingenuous, and no amount of “everyone has their own opinion” is going to convince me otherwise. It’s a blatant falsehood, like assertions that the Hyundai Equus is superior to the Lexus LS. Both are fine vehicles, but one is simply better than the other, and I can’t ignore it. Would I go and buy the Equus to save some money and get an almost-as-capable car? You bet. But I wouldn’t delude myself into thinking I bought a superior car. Instead I’d be satisfied with the value proposition and the anonymity, and leave it at that. Nobody is cross-shopping the Toyobaru and the Cayman the same way – the car is a stepping stone to Porsche ownership, one that’s been sorely missed in the market. Why pretend otherwise? I’m perfectly content with accepting the Toyobaru on that premise, with all the compromises it entails. But trying to portray it as a “giant killer” or whatever hyperbolic turn-of-phrase is en vogue right now will only induce eye-rolls and lead to unmet expectations. Lest we forget the Camaro and how opinions changed once the rose-tinted glasses came off a year later.
Fanboyism always plays out the same way. Lacking any concrete or meaningful pursuits to identify with, people hitch their emotional and even spiritual well-being to manufactured brands and entities. They invest themselves in them with literally a religious fervor, and any attack on their chosen entity is taken as blasphemy. Movie critics are getting death threats over poor reviews of the newest Batman flick, and auto journalists are unwilling to give a sober analysis of this car, save for the lads at Evo magazine. Nonwithstanding all the insinuations about being blackballed, my experience has shown me that few journalists (but many readers) are willing to stand up and say “The Emperor has no clothes” when a car doesn’t live up to the hype.
The Toyobaru, at least, isn’t naked.
Postscript: I’ve seen comments on various forums alleging this review was bought and paid for – I promise you, dear reader, it’s not. This is the work of an overly enthusiastic journalist who is either using hyperbole as a literary crutch, or is so self-deluded that they have the gall to run this story without a hint of irony.
As if the absurdly hyperbolic headline “The day the world changed” wasn’t enough of a tip-off , the hype machine for the Toyobaru twins has officially reached its zenith, with Wheels magazine’s Peter Robinson declaring the Japanese-spec Toyota 86 to be superior to the Porsche Cayman.
Reading Robinson’s article, it’s as if I’d experienced a different car than the two FR-S’ I’d already driven. Robinson rhetorically muses on whether the transmission is “…the best manual gearchange ever” (Not a chance) and praises the Toyobaru’s steering as being better than the Cayman’s. If you want to feel like you’re driving Polyphony Digital’s approximation of what a Miata feels like, then yes, it’s wonderful. Reading the rest of the article, you’d think that this car could cure cancer, re-ignite the spark in your floundering marriage and make your hairline stop receding.
When I wrote my first article on the hype surrounding this car, I was partly dismayed because I was prepared to go and buy one, with my own money – not as some corporate (or freebie) long-term tester. The reviews I’d read beforehand led me to believe that this was the one we had all been waiting for, the affordable sports car that would set the competition on fire and usher in a new era of focused, rear-drive machines that a punk like me could realistically afford. I tempered my expectations, hoping it was merely a blast to drive, rather than the Second Coming of Christ, but even then, the experience left something to be desired.
Make no mistake; it’s a good car. We need cars like this, badly. It really is light, nimble and engaging, it looks sharp and it’s priced accessibly. And yet, I couldn’t really connect with the car. I began to empathize with the reviewers who felt that the original Lexus LS400 was a well-made simulacrum of a European luxury sedan, but without the essential intangibles that make the car a superlative experience rather than just “good”.
Some people seem to think that I have a particular axe to grind with this car, but that couldn’t be further from the truth. My issue is that the breathless praise of the Toyobaru is harmful to the car itself. The Toyobaru has numerous flaws that keep it from being truly great, but there’s no honor in obscuring them. The engine is a dud, there are instances of embarrassing corner-cutting evident in places that most people don’t look and the dynamics of the car feel more digital than analog – something that may be unavoidable in this era, but it remains a sore spot as long as the MX-5, with its hydraulic steering, frenetic I4 engine and unassailable manual gearbox exists in its current form. Even Randy Pobst, in his recent Motor Trend comparo, felt that the twins lagged behind the MX-5 in subjective driving pleasure.
From that vantage point, comparing it to a Cayman is asinine. The Cayman is better in every single respect, period. It’s also exponentially more expensive, built to a much higher standard and therefore, should be better. Robinson’s insistence to the contrary is disingenuous, and no amount of “everyone has their own opinion” is going to convince me otherwise. It’s a blatant falsehood, like assertions that the Hyundai Equus is superior to the Lexus LS. Both are fine vehicles, but one is simply better than the other, and I can’t ignore it. Would I go and buy the Equus to save some money and get an almost-as-capable car? You bet. But I wouldn’t delude myself into thinking I bought a superior car. Instead I’d be satisfied with the value proposition and the anonymity, and leave it at that. Nobody is cross-shopping the Toyobaru and the Cayman the same way – the car is a stepping stone to Porsche ownership, one that’s been sorely missed in the market. Why pretend otherwise? I’m perfectly content with accepting the Toyobaru on that premise, with all the compromises it entails. But trying to portray it as a “giant killer” or whatever hyperbolic turn-of-phrase is en vogue right now will only induce eye-rolls and lead to unmet expectations. Lest we forget the Camaro and how opinions changed once the rose-tinted glasses came off a year later.
Fanboyism always plays out the same way. Lacking any concrete or meaningful pursuits to identify with, people hitch their emotional and even spiritual well-being to manufactured brands and entities. They invest themselves in them with literally a religious fervor, and any attack on their chosen entity is taken as blasphemy. Movie critics are getting death threats over poor reviews of the newest Batman flick, and auto journalists are unwilling to give a sober analysis of this car, save for the lads at Evo magazine. Nonwithstanding all the insinuations about being blackballed, my experience has shown me that few journalists (but many readers) are willing to stand up and say “The Emperor has no clothes” when a car doesn’t live up to the hype.
The Toyobaru, at least, isn’t naked.
Postscript: I’ve seen comments on various forums alleging this review was bought and paid for – I promise you, dear reader, it’s not. This is the work of an overly enthusiastic journalist who is either using hyperbole as a literary crutch, or is so self-deluded that they have the gall to run this story without a hint of irony.
Fazda
Honorary Master
What a loada
Do you have a link to the original article? It seems like a tonne of rambling, without giving any details on the specific problems he has with the car.
The key part of that post is the following:
What exactly makes it a "dud" engine? Tell me where the corner cutting is?
"The dynamics of the car make it feel more digital"? How more vague can you get?
The key part of that post is the following:
What exactly makes it a "dud" engine? Tell me where the corner cutting is?
"The dynamics of the car make it feel more digital"? How more vague can you get?