The SA Politics Thread Part 6

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Hush9300 said:
I'm glad you see it that way.... What of all innocent people of colour who were detained indefinitely, tortured and murdered upon only suspicion as wells as those murdered for simply protesting?

That too falls within your dictionary definition of terrorism. Your government were terrorists too.
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In 1994, to be 18 to vote, you had to be born in 1976. Not all of us are 50 years and up you know. Apartheid and it's government, and all it's architects, are all dead, and have been for a long time now.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
no, the dictionary and almost every country that has a law on terrorism see it that way


no it doesn't, governments can do despicable things, wage war, commit warcrimes, commit genocide even, but seeing as they are officially the government they tend to not do those things to topple themselves/bring about political change, which does not fit the terrorism definition

it's basically the same as when a corrupt government collects taxes, sometimes by force, it is not called stealing

curiously you call them: "your government"? who was your government then during those years?
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This is exactly what I'm talking about... Trying to sweep it under the rug and then using a tax collection analogy.

And no, the definition does not include "change". It includes political "aim".
 
Jer1cho said:
In 1994, to be 18 to vote, you had to be born in 1976. Not all of us are 50 years and up you know. Apartheid and it's government, and all it's architects, are all dead, and have been for a long time now.
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I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that if the ANC and how this started Nelson Mandela were/are labelled terrorists then the Apartheid government were/are too.
 
Hush9300 said:
Trying to sweep it under the rug
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WTAF are you on about?!? nobody's sweeping the apartheid government's atrocities under the rug, it simply was not terrorism, call it race based genocide if you want, that's more accurate and certainly not better than being a terrorist in any way shape or form ... unless you think the world views Hitler as a standup guy o_O

it simply was not terrorism, the word means something else

Hush9300 said:
And no, the definition does not include "change". It includes political "aim".
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aim would be the same thing, suppressing a part of your population that you've even codified into law is not a political "aim" either, in an apartheid government's mindset it is enforcing the law
 
Hush9300 said:
I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that if the ANC and how this started Nelson Mandela were/are labelled terrorists then the Apartheid government were/are too.
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I agree. Just saying not all us whiteys supported the NP, voted for them, or were even alive when they were relevant. Some of us really, REALLY hate them, and what they did.
 
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DA definitely overplaying there hands if they want DIRCO and DJCD
as well as definitely upsetting Gwede on DMRE he is a very much a critic of the GNU and powerful

https://www.news24.com/news24/polit...-knife-edge-following-latest-demands-20240624

Zille listed the DA’s "preferred posts" across Cabinet clusters.

These are:
  • Mineral Resources and Energy
  • Transport
  • Public Works and Infrastructure
  • Higher Education, Science and Technology
  • Public Service and Administration
  • Justice
  • Home Affairs
  • International Relations and Cooperation
  • Communication and Digital technologies
 
Hush9300 said:
I'm glad you see it that way.... What of all innocent people of colour who were detained indefinitely, tortured and murdered upon only suspicion as wells as those murdered for simply protesting?

That too falls within your dictionary definition of terrorism. Your government were terrorists too.
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This whole thing is why I support a single state solution for Israel. It more-or-less worked for South Africa and the Bantustans as separate nations did not.
 
DStvNothingOn said:
DA definitely overplaying there hands if they want DIRCO and DJCD
as well as definitely upsetting Gwede on DMRE he is a very much a critic of the GNU and powerful

https://www.news24.com/news24/polit...-knife-edge-following-latest-demands-20240624

Zille listed the DA’s "preferred posts" across Cabinet clusters.

These are:
  • Mineral Resources and Energy
  • Transport
  • Public Works and Infrastructure
  • Higher Education, Science and Technology
  • Public Service and Administration
  • Justice
  • Home Affairs
  • International Relations and Cooperation
  • Communication and Digital technologies
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They're becoming more ridiculous in the first place, because their more reasonable demands were sidelined while the ANC attempted to dilute their influence in order to pander to the 1%ers...
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
WTAF are you on about?!? nobody's sweeping the apartheid government's atrocities under the rug, it simply was not terrorism, call it race based genocide if you want, that's more accurate and certainly not better than being a terrorist in any way shape or form ... unless you think the world views Hitler as a standup guy o_O
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The Apartheid government was not committing genocide, no matter how you stretch definitions.
 
DStvNothingOn said:
DA definitely overplaying there hands if they want DIRCO and DJCD
as well as definitely upsetting Gwede on DMRE he is a very much a critic of the GNU and powerful

https://www.news24.com/news24/polit...-knife-edge-following-latest-demands-20240624

Zille listed the DA’s "preferred posts" across Cabinet clusters.

These are:
  • Mineral Resources and Energy
  • Transport
  • Public Works and Infrastructure
  • Higher Education, Science and Technology
  • Public Service and Administration
  • Justice
  • Home Affairs
  • International Relations and Cooperation
  • Communication and Digital technologies
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So I'm not entirely buying the News24 story... how did they get sight of a letter sent from Zille to Mbalula in the first place.
 
DStvNothingOn said:
DA definitely overplaying there hands if they want DIRCO and DJCD
as well as definitely upsetting Gwede on DMRE he is a very much a critic of the GNU and powerful

https://www.news24.com/news24/polit...-knife-edge-following-latest-demands-20240624

Zille listed the DA’s "preferred posts" across Cabinet clusters.

These are:
  • Mineral Resources and Energy
  • Transport
  • Public Works and Infrastructure
  • Higher Education, Science and Technology
  • Public Service and Administration
  • Justice
  • Home Affairs
  • International Relations and Cooperation
  • Communication and Digital technologies
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No President will ever give DIRCO to someone who isn't a loyalist. Zille is just trying to drive a hard bargain. She knows this.
 
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