ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Even that doesn't qualify because it's been years and fsckall has happened and it will still be another 20 or 30 before they can figure it out.
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theratman
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Agent67
Honorary Master
That's dumb, you vote for an independent and then your vote gets sent over to a random party...
Btw has the legislation been passed yet to allow independents to run in national and provincial elections?
JuliusSeizure
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DA seem to have been pretty happy with Ramaphosa's address.
JuliusSeizure
Executive Member
I wonder if this could be the start of them warming up to a potential ANC coalition in 2024 with potential DA Ministers.
From a DA perspective, that could be arguably better to work in than an unstable coalition with Steenhuisen as President. The EFF might vote Steenhuisen in but then will pull out eventually to make a scene.
Agent67
Honorary Master
Seems like cautious positivity tbh.
I guess if you're the Official Opposition who's been mostly speaking sense for years and the ruling party finally listens to you (or seems to finally listen anyway), then I guess there's reason to be happy?
But I agree that these are only promises, now the gov/Rama has to implement them, and we know the ANC's track record with implementation...
Agent67
Honorary Master
Yeah, cause that would work out great for the DA, just like the ZANU-PF and MDC coalition did for the MDC in Zimbabwe /s
Nope, IMO if the DA wants to kamikaze themselves out of existence then they should do that, otherwise no
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Any links to the law thats being proposed?
Agent67
Honorary Master
What happens if an independent MP resigns or dies? Parly hears concerns about Electoral Amendment Bill | News24
Members of the Portfolio Committee on Home Affairs raised concerns about the Electoral Amendment Bill.
www.news24.com
Electoral Amendment Bill: MPs have four months to meet ConCourt deadline | News24
The Constitutional Court in 2020 gave Parliament a deadline - June 2022 - to make changes to the electoral system.
www.news24.com
Electoral Amendment Bill is the name
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
What happens if an independent MP resigns or dies? Parly hears concerns about Electoral Amendment Bill | News24
Members of the Portfolio Committee on Home Affairs raised concerns about the Electoral Amendment Bill.Electoral Amendment Bill: MPs have four months to meet ConCourt deadline | News24
The Constitutional Court in 2020 gave Parliament a deadline - June 2022 - to make changes to the electoral system.
Electoral Amendment Bill is the name
Dankie...
Piss poor petition from Mmusi by not including the links.
TheChamp
Honorary Master
It is an interesting question that I never thought about.
Agent67
Honorary Master
Oh well, but I do like the whole independent candidate thing he's promoting.Dankie...
Piss poor petition from Mmusi
But anyway I think it will be pretty cool to see independent candidates in Parliament and provincial parliaments nationwide.
I wonder is how will the seats work? I mean let's say an independent wins 20 out of 40 seats in a province according to how they calculate seats for provincial/national elections? What then, does he just sit there in one seat with **** tons of empty seats around him or...?
Agent67
Honorary Master
What question?
TheChamp
Honorary Master
The question of the votes for an independent candidate. It means he gets enough votes for his seat and that's it, but what if they get more votes that are more than one seat?
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Oh I'm fully behind the idea of independent candidates in National and provinicial parliaments.
For me I think the easiest option is a 50/50 split... 50% direct represenation for an area, and 50% proportional representation for the region/area
TheChamp
Honorary Master
Yes, that is the question.
It would be fun though, imagine shooing other MPs away from your unoccupied seats.
JuliusSeizure
Executive Member
What happens if an independent MP resigns or dies? Parly hears concerns about Electoral Amendment Bill | News24
Members of the Portfolio Committee on Home Affairs raised concerns about the Electoral Amendment Bill.Electoral Amendment Bill: MPs have four months to meet ConCourt deadline | News24
The Constitutional Court in 2020 gave Parliament a deadline - June 2022 - to make changes to the electoral system.
Electoral Amendment Bill is the name
Our politics still needs to evolve a bit because people by and large still vote according to brand lines.
Even if the DA/ANC field donkeys in their strongholds, chances are that they will still win them.
In about 20-30 years time, I do think independents will be a big thing and be winning chunks of power. The entire landscape will be different by then and we would most likely have seen a non ANC President.
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
So I actually need to read through the proposal to get a better understanding of it, but at this point I do see a potential issue...
Once the independent candidate has achieved their seat, the votes are "discarded" for the second round of calculations which means other parties effectively could get a boost in the chance of getting a seat which I could see being problematic.
Once the independent candidate has achieved their seat, the votes are "discarded" for the second round of calculations which means other parties effectively could get a boost in the chance of getting a seat which I could see being problematic.
Agent67
Honorary Master
That's bullshit
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