The soccer technology conundrum

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The great soccer technology conundrum

There are a number of ideas that would solve the goal line problem, easiest of which is putting a sensor into the ball and a few on the posts so that a system can tell when the ball crosses the line to within a millimetre.
 
So a bad decision in a game where SA played made the whole game play out wrong, but didn't affect any other game to such a magnitude. Blind patriotism maybe?
 
To say "putting a sensor into the ball and a few on the posts" is an over simplification of a solution, and will not happen with existing technology.
Ahhh - but video footage, - that's the answer. Yes it's time for this technology, at high levels of the game.
 
I would have stood by Blatter on his first decision - no technology. The game is played with the human factor by humans, some super human, and shld stay that way. Unfortunately not all players are sportsmen, as was clealy be seen by the German goalkeeper. I suppose thats because these guys are paid ridiculous sums of money. Some teams benefit from it some don't - they must get over it.

I certainally don't want to see the game held up while some dude looks a dozen time at a replay to make a decision.
 
look at rugby...the match is stopped for 20sec's and then it's game on!!! no probs...we are used to it now and it's a part of the game...
embrace change!
 
Why does the ball need a sensor? there is a camera. Call for the TMO :D.

So easy it is frightening.
 
This is 2010... not 1800. The technology is there. It's really stupid to ignore it when it is available and will only serve to do away with controversy.

Just have a ref off the field who can talk into the on-field ref's ear and tell him what is happening. It doesn't have to stop play.
 
Just for the record: I think that the result of the SA-Uruguay game would have been a very different game had Suarez been called offside before Khune (allegedly) brought him down. However, Mexico and England were going to lose no matter which way the judgement call had gone.
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I have to disagree. My opinion and I will not change my mind in this regard.

It is grossly wrong to state that the outcome of the game was a done deal regardless of one or two cases of oversight by the ref/line ref which resulted in goals. If England's goal had been allowed the score would have been 2 - 2. It could have give England the confidence to turn on the charm and finish the game off in style, or shattered the Germans confidence and folded. You can never say. Just because Germany scored another 2 doesn't mean they would cake-walked the game.

And the same is true for the other games. You can never tell how an event changes the psychy of a team or its players.

I just hope that this is the last of the bad decisions, unless it goes the way of Ghana, in which case I will look the other way.
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Ghana got their fair share of luck for and against them. They had a good run. So sad they got knocked out. They played with a lot of passion and played for each other. Somewhat inspirational.
 
Cant do TMO in soccer because the game has to stop for the TMO to review and make a decision. As i posted in another thread, if Germany went down the other end and scored when the keeper threw the ball out, their goal would have stood. Now if the ref blew and called a TMO, Germany would have lost out on a legitimate chance, and thus making television replays a no-go in my opinion. The citing of players after a game can be considered, and UEFA do look at simulation every now and then and ban players on it.

The only way a goal line problem can be solved is with sensors in a ball and a goal line sensor. Track the ball, and if it crosses the line, a siren blows (hockey style) and that takes the decision out of the refs hands. Thats the only tech I would like to see in soccer. The one reason i hate rugby is TMO... such a waste. Why even have an on-field ref?

Another thing that Sepp Blatter and the other heads of UEFA (Platini etc) are well aware of is that most noise is made by people that aren't true soccer fans. These "bad decisions" are really only a problem in internationals and week in week out they happen in the premiership, la liga etc but the fans have to come to live with it. You get some bad calls going against you, and some going for you... its part of the hate for the game.

Remember this is FOOTBALL, not RUGBY so take ur lame stop start mentalities away from the Beautiful game.
 
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McT said:
I have to disagree. My opinion and I will not change my mind in this regard.

It is grossly wrong to state that the outcome of the game was a done deal regardless of one or two cases of oversight by the ref/line ref which resulted in goals. If England's goal had been allowed the score would have been 2 - 2. It could have give England the confidence to turn on the charm and finish the game off in style, or shattered the Germans confidence and folded. You can never say. Just because Germany scored another 2 doesn't mean they would cake-walked the game.

And the same is true for the other games. You can never tell how an event changes the psychy of a team or its players.



Ghana got their fair share of luck for and against them. They had a good run. So sad they got knocked out. They played with a lot of passion and played for each other. Somewhat inspirational.
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I agree with you, Germany would have struggled to win that game from 2 - 2... Would have been a CRACKER!!! Also Mexico got put under intense pressure a goal down and made a mistake to concede the second... If they grabbed the first goal (as they were looking likely to do) would have been an insane game. But its part of the game, and if you dont like the rules dont play the game :)
 
phiber said:
Cant do TMO in soccer because the game has to stop for the TMO to review and make a decision. As i posted in another thread, if Germany went down the other end and scored when the keeper threw the ball out, their goal would have stood. Now if the ref blew and called a TMO, Germany would have lost out on a legitimate chance, and thus making television replays a no-go in my opinion. The citing of players after a game can be considered, and UEFA do look at simulation every now and then and ban players on it.

The only way a goal line problem can be solved is with sensors in a ball and a goal line sensor. Track the ball, and if it crosses the line, a siren blows (hockey style) and that takes the decision out of the refs hands. Thats the only tech I would like to see in soccer. The one reason i hate rugby is TMO... such a waste. Why even have an on-field ref?

Another thing that Sepp Blatter and the other heads of UEFA (Platini etc) are well aware of is that most noise is made by people that aren't true soccer fans. These "bad decisions" are really only a problem in internationals and week in week out they happen in the premiership, la liga etc but the fans have to come to live with it. You get some bad calls going against you, and some going for you... its part of the hate for the game.

Remember this is FOOTBALL, not RUGBY so take ur lame stop start mentalities away from the Beautiful game.
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Rugby flows just fine with all the technology. It is by no means a stop start game.
Soccer would work perfectly well withy the same technology.
Deal with it. The future is here.
This is not the ancient past.
 
Nice article Ben. Nice post McT, not sure tho if Ben was being 100% serious at the end there :)

phiber, I'll admit I'm not a "true soccer fan", but I'll be calling soccer the stupid game until they bring technology and justice to the world cup. I realise one can't bring out all the bells and whistles for soccer at lower levels of play, but if u r gonna be broadcasting to the planet and showing tv replays to them u can't expect them to be happy about the BS we see on TV.

And Suarez playing goalie and handball stopping Ghana's goal last night was a travesty of justice. Just gonna encourage more players to handball stop the ball in future because that was a definite goal in my opinion!
 
Have to give one thing the soccer, there's a whole lot more drama and much more to talk about than Rugby. Controversial decisions in Rugby is rare these days.
 
Garyvdh said:
Rugby flows just fine with all the technology. It is by no means a stop start game.
Soccer would work perfectly well withy the same technology.
Deal with it. The future is here.
This is not the ancient past.
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now you are talking rubbish... Rugby stops so much they actually have to stop the clock to keep track of whats going on!!!!... Please explain to me exactly when were they suppose to review that england goal??????? If they do it straight away, they stop the game and that just doesn't fly because it breaks the flow of the game.... If they wait for the ball to go dead, and a goal is scored between the time of incident and review that goal has to be disallowed and the ball is brought back to the half way line. Both these cases COMPLETELY kill the game, and as i have said before the only tech soccer/football needs is something in the ball to say its crossed the line, ice hockey style.

ryan411, thats the game.... I dont fault Suarez for what he did, not at all... I would have done the same thing, heck Diego Maradonna won a world cup with his "hand of god" goal. They had replays on TV then, its just not feasible to review every incident. All the people talking about citings, well they reviewed what Suarez did, and he has been handed a 1 match ban, that is up to the Refreeing panel to decide, i would have given him 3 to 6 games, make sure he is out of the world cup at least.
 
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Rugby stops so much they actually have to stop the clock to keep track of whats going on!!!!...
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Nope, you are talking rubbish - the extra time on a rugby game is usually way less than the extra time on all of these football games.
 
phiber said:
Cant do TMO in soccer because the game has to stop for the TMO to review and make a decision. As i posted in another thread, if Germany went down the other end and scored when the keeper threw the ball out, their goal would have stood. Now if the ref blew and called a TMO, Germany would have lost out on a legitimate chance, and thus making television replays a no-go in my opinion. The citing of players after a game can be considered, and UEFA do look at simulation every now and then and ban players on it.

The only way a goal line problem can be solved is with sensors in a ball and a goal line sensor. Track the ball, and if it crosses the line, a siren blows (hockey style) and that takes the decision out of the refs hands. Thats the only tech I would like to see in soccer. The one reason i hate rugby is TMO... such a waste. Why even have an on-field ref?

Another thing that Sepp Blatter and the other heads of UEFA (Platini etc) are well aware of is that most noise is made by people that aren't true soccer fans. These "bad decisions" are really only a problem in internationals and week in week out they happen in the premiership, la liga etc but the fans have to come to live with it. You get some bad calls going against you, and some going for you... its part of the hate for the game.

Remember this is FOOTBALL, not RUGBY so take ur lame stop start mentalities away from the Beautiful game.
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How are sensors going to determine players going offside or using their hands? That's the "real" stuff that's happening that are causing the most upsets, the ball crossing the line and not being seen by the ref is not exactly something you see every match, but players going offside and goals being disallowed/allowed you DO see every match, even multiple times in one match. It takes the TV commentators one second to draw the offside line and point it out....you don't need 20 seconds for a green or red light to call it. Just like the linesman who throws their flags, so can the TMO.

As for the whole counter-attack theory, just like rugby you don't call for the TMO -everytime-, in fact i don't see why the ref needs to stop the game at all. The TMO stops the game if there's a problem [just like the linesman would] , otherwise the ref's call stand.
 
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I would have stood by Blatter on his first decision - no technology. The game is played with the human factor by humans, some super human, and shld stay that way. Unfortunately not all players are sportsmen, as was clealy be seen by the German goalkeeper. I suppose thats because these guys are paid ridiculous sums of money. Some teams benefit from it some don't - they must get over it.

I certainally don't want to see the game held up while some dude looks a dozen time at a replay to make a decision.
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again another person not really looking into it.
the video footage wont be used continually. I say the captain of each team has like 3 opportunities to call on the vid ref.. thats all the flow of the game will still remain intact.
 
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