Very Disproportionate, Indeed

rwenzori said:
No, I'm an atheist. Are you?
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Just interested to find out why your humanitarian concerns lean so heavily toward the Muslims and against the Israelis. Just out of interest. That is all. :) Thanks for answering.
 
Aqua_lung said:
Actually this is what the tunnels are being used for mostly, what other option is there when you're in a prison/concentration camp.
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Well rats belong in tunnels.
rwenzori said:
Well bees NOT = humans, and the "property" is not yours.

Unless you really ARE advocating a bit of genocide or "ethnic cleansing".
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Jews wont ethnic cleanse, that is the Arab's intention. Not the Jews.
rwenzori said:
No, I'm an atheist. Are you?
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Could have fooled me. ;)
 
Garyvdh said:
Just interested to find out why your humanitarian concerns lean so heavily toward the Muslims and against the Israelis. Just out of interest. That is all. :) Thanks for answering.
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I actually don't like either side. It's just that there is a weight of pro-Israeli posts and threads here ( started by a small group ), many of which are ill-informed and full of hatred and desires for violence. I still don't get why so many non-Jewish South Africans are so pro-Israel. Especially amongst Afrikaners - is it a laager type thing, sympathy for a nation perceived to be surrounded by enemies?
 
rwenzori said:
I still don't get why so many non-Jewish South Africans are so pro-Israel. Especially amongst Afrikaners - is it a laager type thing, sympathy for a nation perceived to be surrounded by enemies?
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Because they have had experience with being persecuted on all sides by neighbours and leaders who in reality want them dead.
 
rwenzori said:
I actually don't like either side. It's just that there is a weight of pro-Israeli posts and threads here ( started by a small group ), many of which are ill-informed and full of hatred and desires for violence. I still don't get why so many non-Jewish South Africans are so pro-Israel. Especially amongst Afrikaners - is it a laager type thing, sympathy for a nation perceived to be surrounded by enemies?
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My grandparents were ripped off by a Jew and lost everything. My uncle's parents were ripped off by a Jew and lost everything. My mother's boyfriend's parents were ripped off by a Jew and lost everything.... and I have no reason to doubt any of their stories. There is absolutely no reason why I should be on Israel's side, except that it is the closest thing to the West that you will find in the Middle East. Sharia law, to me, sounds so scary that I would much rather support Israel. "Stone" me, I was born a "Westerner". Blame my parents, not me.
 
adrianx said:
except that it is the closest thing to the West that you will find in the Middle East. Sharia law, to me, sounds so scary that I would much rather support Israel. "Stone" me, I was born a "Westerner". Blame my parents, not me.
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Have you been to Turkey? Dubai? Lebanon? plenty of places to 'Jol'.
 
rwenzori said:
I actually don't like either side. It's just that there is a weight of pro-Israeli posts and threads here ( started by a small group ), many of which are ill-informed and full of hatred and desires for violence. I still don't get why so many non-Jewish South Africans are so pro-Israel. Especially amongst Afrikaners - is it a laager type thing, sympathy for a nation perceived to be surrounded by enemies?
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It's not a case of being pro-Israeli, but being anti the theology that is the motivating force behind the terrorist Hamarse - the same theology that promotes the destruction of not only the Israeli's but the west.
 
Frankie said:
It's not a case of being pro-Israeli, but being anti the theology that is the motivating force behind the terrorist Hamarse - the same theology that promotes the destruction of not only the Israeli's but the west.
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More wise words from the Anti-Muslim cleric.
 
Aqua_lung said:
Have you been to Turkey? Dubai? Lebanon? plenty of places to 'Jol'.
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Well, I'm worried about Turkey now that the conservatives are getting more say...

I don't expect any of those countries to cater to my "Western" tastes. Why should they? Just don't expect me to start saying that I'm ashamed of being a Westerner. There are some hypocrites that would claim to be ashamed of their heritage, but I cannot.
 
adrianx said:
Well, I'm worried about Turkey now that the conservatives are getting more say...

I don't expect any of those countries to cater to my "Western" tastes. Why should they? Just don't expect me to start saying that I'm ashamed of being a Westerner. There are some hypocrites that would claim to be ashamed of their heritage, but I cannot.
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Many westerners in those countries have no sense of shame that you speak of, I've been to Turkey and Israel... guess what country felt more European to me? Turkey! the views are spectacular, cities clean and young enthusiastic people all around.

Oh yes... if by 'western tastes' you mean Mcdonalds? it's there in many middle eastern countries.
 
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Thanks for your replies to what I asked marine1 and Frankie. What's your take Garyvdh?
 
Aqua_lung said:
Many westerners in those countries have no sense of shame that you speak of, I've been to Turkey and Israel... guess what country felt more European to me? Turkey! the views are spectacular, cities clean and young enthusiastic people all around.

Oh yes... if by 'western tastes' you mean Mcdonalds? it's there in many middle eastern countries.
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Turkey is changing things to get into the EU (as promised by Bush). Once in, it will become Sharia very quickly.
 
rwenzori said:
I actually don't like either side. It's just that there is a weight of pro-Israeli posts and threads here ( started by a small group ), many of which are ill-informed and full of hatred and desires for violence. I still don't get why so many non-Jewish South Africans are so pro-Israel. Especially amongst Afrikaners - is it a laager type thing, sympathy for a nation perceived to be surrounded by enemies?
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Ja, maybe it is an underdog thing. The Jews were persecuted during the holocaust and I think they deserve a fair break in making a home and nation for themselves without everybody wishing them dead and exterminated. I have no particular preference for the Jews over the Palestinians other than I despise terrorism and the murder of innocents which many radical Muslims espouse.
 
Aqua_lung said:
This was before the EU appeals, your prejudice is ignorance.
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So is yours. Your antisemitism is blatantly obvious and you have already proved that you are willing to lie and twist and misquote to prove your distorted views.

You have been caught out several times now and yet you blithely continue with your pathetic attempts to blurt out all your hatred and vitriol.

You have made no valid points, you have proved nothing and failed to substantiate anything except to continually prove that you are quite willing to lie to make any point. Funny enough you continue to do this even you have been exposed several times.

Any other decent person would be ashamed and give up after being exposed the first time. But you prove what kind of disgusting character you have by making more lies and continuing on in your sad little attempts to "debate" when in reality you have no idea at all how to carry on a normal conversation without resorting to fabrications. :)
 
Garyvdh said:
Ja, maybe it is an underdog thing. The Jews were persecuted during the holocaust and I think they deserve a fair break in making a home and nation for themselves without everybody wishing them dead and exterminated. I have no particular preference for the Jews over the Palestinians other than I despise terrorism and the murder of innocents which many radical Muslims espouse.
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Thanks. It helps to understand where you guys are coming from.
 
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