Vodacom Rollover is here

Oh crap!! I thought I have 60 days from the day I purchased the data bundle till it expires. :(
 
Oh ... so it's more like a Maximum of 60 days, not an actual 60 days.
Pffft.
So, you can still end up only getting 28 days if you had to purchase on the 31 Jan on a non leap year.

Imagine my surprise. Whatever.
 
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davemc said:
Oh ... so it's more like a Maximum of 60 days, not an actual 60 days.
Pffft.
So, you can still end up only getting 28 days if you had to purchase on the 31 Jan on a non leap year.

Imagine my surprise. Whatever.
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Which is less time than you had before. So it's a give/take situation.
 
I don't know why people keep referring to this as rollover; it's now (up to) 60 days expiry instead of 30 days expiry.
 
ic said:
Ad-Hoc CDBs were changed to allow for a validity period of 30 days from activation, i.e. that is not fixed to the last day of the month in which an Ad-Hoc CDB was activated, therefore it should be possible to tweak Ad-Hoc CDBs to allow rollover that is fixed at 60 days.

Similarly, PPDBs should be even easier to tweak - to allow rollover that is fixed at 60 days - especially since PPDBs never [post-production] had an expiry date fixed to the last day of the month in which a PPDB was activated.

As for normal CDBs and Bolt-On CDBs, those can stay as they are since their activation date is always on the 1st of every month [excluding mid-month pro rata billed activation of a Bolt-On CDB which could stay as it is due to the pro rata aspect itself].
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I suspect the PPDB billing can't roll (note subtle use of the word 'roll' to annoy ginggs ;)) past two month ends.

Also, we are trying to maintain consistency across the products lest we get accused of trying to make it even more complex (Cue Duncan ;))
 
ginggs said:
I don't know why people keep referring to this as rollover; it's now (up to) 60 days expiry instead of 30 days expiry.
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From an advertising point of view:-
  • "Your remaining credit may rollover to the following month" could be a true statement.
  • The use of UP TO is also constrained by how many people are affected, according to the advertising rules.

4.5 "Up to …" and "from …" claims

4.5.1 Claims, whether as to prices or performance, which use formulas such as "up to 10 kilometer per liter" or "prices from as low as R5" are not acceptable where there is a likelihood of the consumer being misled as to the availability of the benefits offered. Such claims should not be used-

4.5.1.1 where the price or other advantage claimed bears no relation to the prevailing level of prices or benefits, and in particular where it does not apply to the goods or services actually advertised or to more than an insignificant proportion of them;

4.5.1.2 Where they apply only to spoiled or imperfect goods, or to goods or services which are in some respect less complete or subject to greater limitations that the bulk of those on offer.
ASASA
 
kedul said:
Surely a simple 60 days carry over for both contract and prepaid would have been much easier to understand and manage for everyone?
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Exactly what I'm thinking.

I really thought I had 60 days to use my bundle, that's why I bought a 3GB data package, instead of the normal 2GB.

Oh well, it's not the end of the world....I got it all wrong.
 
vodacom3g said:
Sure it did not get moved?

In any case, Seacom WILL change pricing/structures.

Seacom will bring much more capacity.

So the general consensus when you talk to the players is that the first thing you'll see is an increase in bundle sizes for the same price, hopfully right up to uncapped.

So lets say you pay Rx for 1Gb today, then you'll start getting bigger bundles for the same price. So the price/MB will drop.

Then as the local network operators' fibre rings come online, you should see a similar kicker.

BB-A is the same as BB-S when it comes to roll over. Your bundle 'roll over' till the end of the next month. So, if you buy on the 1st, it'll be 60 days. If you buy on the 20th, it'll be 40 days.
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So V3G,

If you have to take a rough and conservative guess. What do you reckon price/MB would be after the taps of Seacom have been opened? I'm currently on a 2GB Data bundle....will it be 5GB or 10GB for the same price? Just curious as Im sure VC has done the math when you take into account what the supply of Seacom would be.
 
vodacom3g said:
To get to a fixed 60 days, i.e. you buy a bundle on the 20th of April. To fix roll-over at 60 days (i.e. up to 20 June) you would go over two month ends, end of April and end of May.
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Have you worked out how many people buy the bundle on one particular day in order to gain the longest 'rollover'? Would someone who's bundle expired wait X days until they could grab the 60-day deal?
 
What a load of absolute diddle.

You're trying to tell an audience of mostly IT people that a straight-plain 60 day cut-off system is difficult to implement.

Bwaaahahahahahaha!
 
Sackboy said:
From an advertising point of view:-
  • "Your remaining credit may rollover to the following month" could be a true statement.
  • The use of UP TO is also constrained by how many people are affected, according to the advertising rules.

4.5 "Up to …" and "from …" claims

4.5.1 Claims, whether as to prices or performance, which use formulas such as "up to 10 kilometer per liter" or "prices from as low as R5" are not acceptable where there is a likelihood of the consumer being misled as to the availability of the benefits offered. Such claims should not be used-

4.5.1.1 where the price or other advantage claimed bears no relation to the prevailing level of prices or benefits, and in particular where it does not apply to the goods or services actually advertised or to more than an insignificant proportion of them;

4.5.1.2 Where they apply only to spoiled or imperfect goods, or to goods or services which are in some respect less complete or subject to greater limitations that the bulk of those on offer.
ASASA
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In classic Skeptik fashion you again just extract enough of the text so you can try and create misinformation. :rolleyes:

You've always loved to do this with ASA rulings. :rolleyes: Remember the time you quoted an iBurst ruling but deleted the relevant sections so it would look like a ruling against Vodacom. :sick:

The ASA ruling talks about making claims that cannot be realised. For example, one cannot say you will get speeds up to 7.2Mb/s as at the time of purchase the consumer has no idea if it is possible. Thus you will not see Vodacom make such claims.

On the other hand, the day you buy a bundle, you know EXACTLY when it's going to expire and, depending on when you bought it, it can last up to 60 days.

But then you're not interested in actual facts are you?

(BTW, I've cleaned out my PM inbox so you can let fly with the threatening, abusive and insulting PM's)
 
davemc said:
What a load of absolute diddle.

You're trying to tell an audience of mostly IT people that a straight-plain 60 day cut-off system is difficult to implement.

Bwaaahahahahahaha!
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We don't know the intricacies of Vodacom. I suspect the accountants are pulling the strings and we know what they are like!
 
ic said:
In that case, I suggest that the PPDB development team takes a look at the code for pre-paid airtime validity.
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Will tell them.

You'll notice I've been advocating consistency at system level for a long time and this is one such example. The more uniform systems can be (i.e. with as few special tweaks as possible), the less things can go wrong.

The unrestricted APN, for example. It's suffered more than once being a 'special case'.
 
vodacom3g said:
In classic Skeptik fashion you again just extract enough of the text so you can try and create misinformation. :rolleyes:

You've always loved to do this with ASA rulings. :rolleyes: Remember the time you quoted an iBurst ruling but deleted the relevant sections so it would look like a ruling against Vodacom. :sick:

The ASA ruling talks about making claims that cannot be realised. For example, one cannot say you will get speeds up to 7.2Mb/s as at the time of purchase the consumer has no idea if it is possible. Thus you will not see Vodacom make such claims.

On the other hand, the day you buy a bundle, you know EXACTLY when it's going to expire and, depending on when you bought it, it can last up to 60 days.

But then you're not interested in actual facts are you?

(BTW, I've cleaned out my PM inbox so you can let fly with the threatening, abusive and insulting PM's)
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You misunderstand.

What I believe the ASASA is saying is that for speeds, the average consumer should see speeds that reflect what is being promised, which as you admit, is why no claims are made any more. In the same way, there's no point in saying UP TO X, if X is only achieved by 1% of people. That's called fairness.
 
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