Weight loss

lived666 said:
Well I got your science, by not having carbs how the body will use the fat cells for fuel instead, what you haven't specified why though add fat to the fat, whats the point in eating more fat and how does the body know which fat to use for fuel, that is the part I am not sure about.
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1) your body can't store the fat you eat - so it gets excreted if it's not used quickly.
2) If you don't eat enough calories, your body thinks it's starving and it slows your metabolism right down.
 
Ockie said:
Oh ok. That is ok .... so long as the muscles get strengthened a little to flatten it then its cool. I am not looking for a rock hard Vin Diesel stomach. :-) I have gained some weight and have gotten a lot of compliments saying I look so much healthier instead of being scrawny ... but it seems it does seem to favour my middle lol.
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Not sure if it will flatten it, you may just have muscle.
 
googoodoll said:
So can I ask something... For the high fat supporters - would it be advisable for someone to just see a healthcare practitioner before embarking on a high fat diet? As in, could it have implications for someone who has high cholesterol or something, for example.

I'm basically allowed olive oil and that's all so a high fat diet will never work for me.
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Googoo, its refined (man-made) carbs that mess up your lipid profile, and not healthy (read: NATURAL) fats, although your doctor may disagree. It will be many more years until this is accepted by the general/old-school medical profession. If you would like to learn more, I can highly highly highly recommend this book written by a cardiologist. It is very well written, and written for the layperson.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Great-Cholesterol-Myth-Disease/dp/1592335217
 
Ockie said:
Oh ok. That is ok .... so long as the muscles get strengthened a little to flatten it then its cool. I am not looking for a rock hard Vin Diesel stomach. :-) I have gained some weight and have gotten a lot of compliments saying I look so much healthier instead of being scrawny ... but it seems it does seem to favour my middle lol.
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It wont become flatter, if anything it looks worse when your abs harden - imagine jelly on concrete - it wobbles everywhere :D

To become "flatter" you neeed to lose bodyfat, but you say you're already skinny everywhere else.

Hence only "aesthetic choice" is the one I suggested :P I suggested compound exercises as its the quickest way to gain muscle

Skinny fat is a biaatch
 
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just had a low fat yoghurt and muesli thing. they dont show sugar in the table. it had that layer of flavouring at the bottom. my head is zinging from the sugar. b@stards.
 
akescpt said:
just had a low fat yoghurt and muesli thing. they dont show sugar in the table. it had that layer of flavouring at the bottom. my head is zinging from the sugar. b@stards.
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There's your warning sign...

*** one, hope you feel better soon.
 
akescpt said:
just had a low fat yoghurt and muesli thing. they dont show sugar in the table. it had that layer of flavouring at the bottom. my head is zinging from the sugar. b@stards.
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I would avoid that kind of food, if I am correct then

Muesli = carbs, low fat yoghurt = sugar
 
DrewChan said:
It wont become flatter, if anything it looks worse when your abs harden - imagine jelly on concrete - it wobbles everywhere :D

To become "flatter" you neeed to lose bodyfat, but you say you're already skinny everywhere else.

Hence only "aesthetic choice" is the one I suggested :P I suggested compound exercises as its the quickest way to gain muscle

Skinny fat is a biaatch
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Urg ... damn damn damn. My sister have wanted me to come gym with her for years .... but not sure of the costs and stuff. I will have to do some soul searching . I really am not one for excerting my self physically :p
 
Sinbad said:
There's your warning sign...

*** one, hope you feel better soon.
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yep i know but really didnt feel like high fat this morning.

lived666 said:
I would avoid that kind of food, if I am correct then

Muesli = carbs, low fat yoghurt = sugar
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i havent had any yoghurt on this yet. it was a spoonful of muesli so i doubt it had much carbs but the yoghurt plus that stuff at the bottom is not good.

was just tired of the eggs and bacon. was looking for an alternative. some googling to do.
 
Sinbad said:
1) your body can't store the fat you eat - so it gets excreted if it's not used quickly.
2) If you don't eat enough calories, your body thinks it's starving and it slows your metabolism right down.
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I think I might be getting the explanation! So what you are saying is that to keep the calorie content high in order to keep the metabolism kicking over is by adding fat but then because you have no carbs for the body to work on it can't store or use the new fat and breaks down the existing fat for fuel.
 
akescpt said:
yep i know but really didnt feel like high fat this morning.



i havent had any yoghurt on this yet. it was a spoonful of muesli so i doubt it had much carbs but the yoghurt plus that stuff at the bottom is not good.

was just tired of the eggs and bacon. was looking for an alternative. some googling to do.
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Try the new lactose free low fat yoghurt from woolies I mentioned yesterday, has 3gr carb or which 2 is sugar.
 
lived666 said:
I think I might be getting the explanation! So what you are saying is that to keep the calorie content high in order to keep the metabolism kicking over is by adding fat but then because you have no carbs for the body to work on it can't store or use the new fat and breaks down the existing fat for fuel.
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Close. It does use the new fat, but it _also_ uses stored fat :)
 
Ockie said:
Urg ... damn damn damn. My sister have wanted me to come gym with her for years .... but not sure of the costs and stuff. I will have to do some soul searching . I really am not one for excerting my self physically :p
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Well is the juice worth the squeeze :D
 
lived666 said:
Well I got your science, by not having carbs how the body will use the fat cells for fuel instead, what you haven't specified why though add fat to the fat, whats the point in eating more fat and how does the body know which fat to use for fuel, that is the part I am not sure about.
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remember that the body processes carbs and fats differently, in effect insulin converts carbs into fats and stores the excess, when we eat fats the body uses what it needs at the time of eating and discards the rest, also by replacing carbs with fats you're removing insulin from the equation, so the body can regulate itself far more effectively

Insulin stimulates the transport of glucose into the fat cells, thereby effectively controlling the production of glycerol phosphate, the fixing of free fatty acids as triglycerides, and all that follows. The one fundamental requirement to increase the flow of fatty acids out of adipose tissue—to increase lipolysis—and so decrease the amount of fat in our fat tissue, is to lower the concentration of insulin in the bloodstream. In other words, the release of fatty acids from the fat cells and their diffusion into the circulation require “only the negative stimulus of insulin deficiency,” as Yalow and Berson wrote. By the same token, the one necessary requirement to shut down the release of fat from the fat cells and increase fat accumulation is the presence of insulin. When insulin is secreted, or the level of insulin in the circulation is abnormally elevated, fat accumulates in the fat tissue. When insulin levels are low, fat escapes from the fat tissue, and the fat deposits shrink.
All other hormones will work to release fatty acids from the fat tissue, but the ability of these hormones to accomplish this job is suppressed almost entirely by the effect of insulin and blood sugar. These hormones can mobilize fat from the adipose tissue only when insulin levels are low—during starvation, or when the diet being consumed is lacking in carbohydrates. (If insulin levels are high, that implies that there is plenty of carbohydrate fuel available.) In fact, virtually anything that increases the secretion of insulin will also suppress the secretion of hormones that release fat from the fat tissue. Eating carbohydrates, for example, not only elevates insulin but inhibits growth-hormone secretion; both effects lead to greater fatty-acid storage in the fat tissue.
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akescpt said:
yep i know but really didnt feel like high fat this morning.

i havent had any yoghurt on this yet. it was a spoonful of muesli so i doubt it had much carbs but the yoghurt plus that stuff at the bottom is not good.

was just tired of the eggs and bacon. was looking for an alternative. some googling to do.
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I had a 3 egg omelette whipped up with cream; with ham, mushrooms fried in lots of butter and some gouda grated over the top as fillings
 
Ol' Mean Bastid said:
I had a 3 egg omelette whipped up with cream; with ham, mushrooms fried in lots of butter and some gouda grated over the top as fillings
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How does this affect your cholesterol?

I would have the same, but no cream, no ham normal butter and no gouda but with mushrooms and cream cheese on the side and an assortment of vegetables.
 
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