WhatsApp vs Telegram - Features and security

Ho3n3r said:
You must be good at marketing. Whenever I tell people about Telegram, they're like "Oh, cool" and then continue on Whatsapp.

I presume it's the same for most people.
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I don't go door to door telling strangers about Telegram. Close friends and family are much more likely to be interested. And I don't typically mention it out of the blue - it needs to somehow be relevant.

Your problem is that your 'oh cool' people don't sound like they want a conversation about alternative messengers. Another thing is the order in which you convert people. There definitely were people who I knew would be a waste of time unless I had a whole bunch of our mutual contacts on board already.

As long as you don't annoy people and have some friends willing to start the journey, the strengths of Telegram do the work for you.
 
Your problem is that your 'oh cool' people don't sound like they want a conversation about alternative messengers.
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I'm also one of those. I am fully aware of Telegram and others, but just not interested in using it.
 
Bryn said:
I don't go door to door telling strangers about Telegram. Close friends and family are much more likely to be interested. And I don't typically mention it out of the blue - it needs to somehow be relevant.

Your problem is that your 'oh cool' people don't sound like they want a conversation about alternative messengers. Another thing is the order in which you convert people. There definitely were people who I knew would be a waste of time unless I had a whole bunch of our mutual contacts on board already.

As long as you don't annoy people and have some friends willing to start the journey, the strengths of Telegram do the work for you.
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I believe it's pretty stupid to try and convince people otherwise, if they are not interested in it at all, and have no real world advantage to gain from it. Whatsapp sends messages, it receives messages. Most people don't care about anything beyond that. :) More importantly from my POV, it doesn't really change anything in my world either - yes, Whatsapp is annoying sometimes, but in the bigger scheme of my life, it's negligible.

Also, I've never had my Whatsapp details accessed by Facebook. I presume you need to add your FB account to your phone, which I never have.
 
Ho3n3r said:
I believe it's pretty stupid to try and convince people otherwise, if they are not interested in it at all, and have no real world advantage to gain from it. Whatsapp sends messages, it receives messages. Most people don't care about anything beyond that. :) More importantly from my POV, it doesn't really change anything in my world either - yes, Whatsapp is annoying sometimes, but in the bigger scheme of my life, it's negligible.

Also, I've never had my Whatsapp details accessed by Facebook. I presume you need to add your FB account to your phone, which I never have.
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As a matter of interest, when is WhatsApp annoying?
 
Ho3n3r said:
Also, I've never had my Whatsapp details accessed by Facebook. I presume you need to add your FB account to your phone, which I never have.
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They would just do it implicitly via your friends that have done it. And all they would really need is one friend with you on Whatsapp and Facebook and they would be able to infer that your Facebook profile is using Whatsapp.
 
konfab said:
They would just do it implicitly via your friends that have done it. And all they would really need is one friend with you on Whatsapp and Facebook and they would be able to infer that your Facebook profile is using Whatsapp.
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Well, it's never happened, or at least no evidence that it's happened, so all good.
 
Ho3n3r said:
When I want to copy/paste an image to someone on Whatsapp via web, and it says "Phone not connected" even when on Wifi. This is not a problem that you have on Telegram.
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Ah, I see.

I've used WebWhatsApp about twice, so I don't have much to complain about LOL
 
I have been getting quite a few of notifications of someone in my phonebook joining Telegram of late. About 1 a week. People I dont have contact with really but that is stored on my phonebook, so it seems to be gaining momentum. I have done my bit and most people I chat to on a daily basis is now on Telegram.
 
Ockie said:
I have been getting quite a few of notifications of someone in my phonebook joining Telegram of late. About 1 a week. People I dont have contact with really but that is stored on my phonebook, so it seems to be gaining momentum. I have done my bit and most people I chat to on a daily basis is now on Telegram.
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:wtf: So they say it doesn't access your phonebook - or does it :wtf:
 
isie said:
Basically You can look at Telegrams code but not their server and encryption program code.
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Wrong answer. You know a full communication protocol. From this protocol it is very clear that server only works as a conveyor in the key exchange process. Once a key exchange is completed, and user messages start flowing, server is not in able to descramble it, as only two devices in the Universe have neccessary keys to do so. If someone on the server would like to interfere in the key exchange process, it would have to act using generic MITM techniques, meaning using tremendous processing power to crack the code in the short time.

In other words knowing server source code is not required for assessing security of the communication. Even you had server source code available, you don't have access to their server to verify whether it is really running this specific code. вы понимаете?

However knowing client code is neccessary to verify that this algorithm is really used and have no bugs in implementation that would affect affecting security.

Still waiting for Jan for explanation for "pseudo-openness" of the Telegram, he went silent. As a News Editor he shouldn't be such a biased person.
 
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