Whites leaving SA in droves

[Turtle]

I do have an escape route, I have a European passport.

This may sound unintuitive to you, but I would be more inclined to STAY if I had a European passport. It's largely because I don't have one that I want to leave. Why? Because if I had that 'easy' escape route, and things hit the fan here, I could basically just get on a plane and leave (it's almost that simple for me, due to my lifestyle and career choice). Because I don't, if things hit the fan here, and then I only STARTED the process of emigration, it would take typically another year before I could get out (probably more if there is chaos, as bureaucratic processes break down ... and also I'd be suddenly competing with hoards of desperate people trying to get out ... it's easier to get out when you're just a 'skilled migrant' than when you're one of millions of refugees). I just CANNOT afford to get 'stuck here' in chaos, should it erupt (particularly for other personal reasons I can't mention here, as well as financial).

I don't have an escape route. And the only way to make one, is spending five or more years in another country earning a passport there. If I stay I have no chance at all. The "political risk" element is a LOT scarier when you know that there is a 100% chance you will just be STUCK in whatever happens should it happen.

Just be wary of judging people who choose to leave or stay, not everyone has the same situation. There is a constrained hint of judgment in your tone.

 

[UnoPanelvan]

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I do have an escape route, I have a European passport.

Additionally, do not use this forum as a place to reinforce your decision and justify to yourself that you made the right decision and, ag-shame on those who have stayed behind or who have left. If you have advice to offer, do it in a constructive manner and try to compare apples-with-apples.

And to those racist twats patrolling these forums, piss off, your words are no good here.

Talk comes cheap if your bases are covered.
As much as you said your piece so do others have the same right, even only to justify their decision. Who are you to judge them. Unfortunately you cannot compare Africa with the first world, maybe just with apples (rotten). Ag Shame. I said it.

 

[mancombseepgood]

What's a drove? Is it a new type of vehicle?

No, it's an old type of vehicle... a "gonnadrive" is the new version

 

[Syndyre]

In the end, these are personal decisions and no one has the right to knock them because they do not fit into their paradigm. It is difficult to stay objective when emotions are running high, but please try for the sake of those wanting to make critical decisions for their families, using this forum to gather some info.

Be informed, do your research, weigh up what is most important to you and your family. Once you have made you decision to stay or leave, do not try and force you point of view on to others and belittle those who do not agree with you. What worked for you, won't necessarily work for someone else, common sense needs to prevail.

Additionally, do not use this forum as a place to reinforce your decision and justify to yourself that you made the right decision and, ag-shame on those who have stayed behind or who have left. If you have advice to offer, do it in a constructive manner and try to compare apples-with-apples.

Very true although that works both ways, there are plenty in SA who choose to attack those who leave which isn't right or justified either.

 

[saffakanera]

Turtle, you can buy a British forged passport for R30k if you really needed one dude, and from the UK you could dodge it to EU. Back to the motherland so to speak

Always have a backup plan, even if it doesn't include legislation ;D

Think im Russian Jewish descendant, might give that a shot when, like you say, the #(*$ hits the fan...




PS: If "Africans" can claim land ownership by birthright, and the EU supports it, cant a African European claim birthright in the EU?

 

[CharlesM]

Turtle, you can buy a British forged passport for R30k if you really needed one dude, and from the UK you could dodge it to EU. Back to the motherland so to speak

Always have a backup plan, even if it doesn't include legislation ;D

Think im Russian Jewish descendant, might give that a shot when, like you say, the #(*$ hits the fan...




PS: If "Africans" can claim land ownership by birthright, and the EU supports it, cant a African European claim birthright in the EU?

Tell us where, please... please!

 

[saffakanera]

CharlesM hah, im sure if you phoned around you could come right, although i have to warn you about how insanely illegal this is, and IF you get caught, they will send you back HERE, you need to be incredibly morally flexible and determined to pull off that stunt.

But im sure if some of the Doomsday preachers here are right, and things do in fact go ballistic, you will have the stones needed to commit in that incredibly dodge "Groot Trek" so to speak

 

[CharlesM]

Lol... I guess it wouldn't be worth it at the end of the day. Imagine getting caught and having your @ss here in jail...

Yeah, the doomsday preachers have a way of convincing one that buying a passport is the way to go...

 

[saffakanera]

Remember you can die in a car crash tomorrow while worrying about being hijacked! What all this paranoia SHOULD do is remind us of how incredibly small and fragile we are, and that we should try to live each day like it was our last, IMHO i believe that, in societies where death rarely comes except to the elderly, they tend to adopt the "we are the center of the universe" mentality, which leads to all manner of dumbass! ('see. Scientology)

I think the sooner people *me included* can accept mortality, the higher our quality of life will become. There seems to be levels of accepting it, the further you go from the notion of Mortality though, the more windgat/arrogant you become about your own existence, the closer you get to it, the more voices *instincts* you hear (Doompreachers). There must be some sort of balance when approaching the notion of certain demise!

I know its hard for someone who sustains other smaller, prettier humans, eg' family, spouse etc, they have an elevated awareness of mortality and are more prone to jump on the paranoia speedboat of doom, its just natures way of ensuring his/her little tribe continues to populate!

As we enter the dark and brooding Abyss that is the future, we must always remember that life cannot truly be dictated and bent to ones will, no matter how many movies tell you otherwise. KNOW that you will die, ACCEPT death and embrace it, it is as natural as having to pee in the morning. And remember, no matter how much pain you endure before your death, death will still come! Isnt that great?!

 

[CharlesM]

I think the sooner people *me included* can accept mortality, the higher our quality of life will become.

There seems to be quite a number of people who have not yet learnt that robbing, raping and murdering is not very "moral"... That's the problem... What a pity.

 

[saffakanera]

I believe there are two types of Human; Animal, and Person.

Animal walks around the jungle, he is self aware, he realizes life, existence, self preservation, but his Morality module, a pre programmed ability to recognize the importance of preserving the group, has been overwritten by his self preservation unit!

Person on the other hand, fails to understand why Animal would choose to violate the Group preserving module for self preservation! The reason Person does not understand is because PERSONS instincts refuse to even fathom the blueprint BEHIND self preservation > group preservation!

That is why, i think, humans with intact morality modules fail to understand why some atrocious acts AGAINST the primary group module are committed!

But what overrides the Group Preservation function is beyond me!

As to why and what exactly causes Animal's GPF *Group preservation function* to be so easily overwritten, could be one of two things:

It might be genetic! Or some cause in early development or serious trauma or anything after Animal's birth!

If they could only track down the gene that overrides the GPF malfunction and eliminate it! We could very well prepare for Utopia!...or China... either way it would rock!

 

[scatlett]

Think im Russian Jewish descendant, might give that a shot when, like you say, the #(*$ hits the fan...

PEOPLE. The #(*$ is already hitting the fan.

Is everyone waiting for a single sign? The signs are out there every day.

South Africans are like abused wives who stay with their husband and think to themselves "its not that bad. he really does love me; I know he does... he will soon make everything right and we will live like we are supposed to."

 

[Skinner]

PEOPLE. The #(*$ is already hitting the fan.

Is everyone waiting for a single sign? The signs are out there every day.

Where? What signs?

I walk down the streets of Stellenbosch and see busty student girls around. Everyone seems happy and laughing. The shops, restaurants and coffee shops are full. Many residential suburbs in and around Stellenbosch have houses that look like mansions with little or no walls / fencing around. BMWs and Mercs are parked in the driveways. Children play on the open lawns or parks opposite the houses.

So, please tell me, where are the rocks and bushes the Africans are supposedly hiding behind, waiting to jump out and rip your guts out??

 

[feo]

Where? What signs?

I walk down the streets of Stellenbosch and see busty student girls around. Everyone seems happy and laughing. The shops, restaurants and coffee shops are full. Many residential suburbs in and around Stellenbosch have houses that look like mansions with little or no walls / fencing around. BMWs and Mercs are parked in the driveways. Children play on the open lawns or parks opposite the houses.

So, please tell me, where are the rocks and bushes the Africans are supposedly hiding behind, waiting to jump out and rip your guts out??

Am I the only one here that finds it a bit strange that just a few weeks ago I was reading tons of posts from Skinner with the words "SA IS CRASHING AND BURNING" and now I read this.

What is up with you Skinner?

 

[Skinner]

Am I the only one here that finds it a bit strange that just a few weeks ago I was reading tons of posts from Skinner with the words "SA IS CRASHING AND BURNING" and now I read this.

What is up with you Skinner?

But SA is crashing and burning.

 

[feo]

But SA is crashing and burning.

Ummmmm, so what exactly was post #313 all about then?

 

[Frankie]

Ummmmm, so what exactly was post #313 all about then?

Trolling as usual, with an obsession/resentment towards anyone that can afford a Merc or BMW.
That's what happens when you're not good enough and they decide against renewing your contract abroad.

 

[Skinner]

Ummmmm, so what exactly was post #313 all about then?

Try to figure it out.
No not trolling.

 

[feo]

Try to figure it out.
No not trolling.

I haven't been active active on the forums much lately so I have no idea what post #313 was about when you actually feel that SA is going down.

 

[Skinner]

with an obsession/resentment towards anyone that can afford a Merc or BMW.

That means I would have an obsession/resentment towards myself, which does not compute.

That's what happens when you're not good enough and they decide against renewing your contract abroad.

Actually, I renew other people's contracts. Not the other way around.