Windows 7 called slower than Vista

Peter i do not care who has better what but i would like to see you run this benchie and then post it for me please.

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I will not comment again on ssd's until i see you have bench marked and posted your results.

I am waiting, 1 mb download and the test takes 20 seconds. You should be able to get it on this forum soon i think.

Sadly peter people upgrade their cpu's for more speed but they do not realize that a faster hdd would give more speed than a cpu upgrade. If you could do both you have a winner. A celeron with a ssd would run a pc pretty darn fast.

You brought the celeron with ssd into this chat not me, i was comparing apples with apples til you brought up a celeron with an ssd and then you Fed because you thought a celeron with an ssd would be slow :D.

Hdtach peter is the programs name. Will upload a higher res pic now. Waiting for yours dude.

He wont, I doubt the fact that he even owns anything.
 
I cannot wait to see peter's benchies on his 160 gb intel he bought for 4k even though they cost like 700 dollars :D.

I don't think he has a ssd which is why i am asking just like you say, he lied about windows 7 i can almost guarantee he has no SSD.
 
How did you get HD TAch to run on WIN7?

Edit. Never mind. Compatibilty Mode :D
 
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Peter i do not care who has better what but i would like to see you run this benchie and then post it for me please.

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Nice. Really need to get myself one of those puppies. Scoring with a 7200 Samsung 1TB an average of 69.5mb, max of 102mb.
 
killadoob said that excess RAM does not speed up disk access in bootup in another thread.

That depends on what you are doing. If a large service is being started that would need to swap out memory then it could have an effect.

Why is everything so clumsy? Is this the only way to do it? It seems like a patchwork of tricks done to solve problems (AV hooks in Firefox for example).

A redesign from the beginning is surely what MS should do.

No problem, and just write off the millions of applications that presently run on windows. Or wait, you can throw away the shell extensions and other nice stuff that is possible on Windows. You can't just change the underlying architecture without throwing away compatibility. Did you ever wonder why there were so many applications that exist for Windows. Because it is so damn easy to write apps for it.

The vendors work within the parameters ... to by any rogue app.

See my previous point. Windows makes it easy to write apps for it, hence it's dominance in the market.

Going back to my OSX installation, I have the same install from 2006 and it has lots of apps and some even start up with the computer. We don't see the problem there, the system is still very responsive and starts up almost as fast as it did initially. Why are UNIX bases OS'es so much better in handling this? Is it the registry? Is it the common /system32 system directory?

It's neither and both. The OS allows apps to hook themselves into almost everything. This is done through folders, the registry and even the system32 folder.

If Apple had half a brain, they wouldn't be charging R21K for a entry level 15" laptop or R13K for a common desktop computer. That, to me, is far worse then any OS flaws MS may have. Hell, I wanted to buy a mac but won't waste that kind of money on one. When Apple start charging an equivalent price to a PC then you can start bringing them up here. Until then, there is no point.
 
No you just have to run it as windows xp SP3 and as admin and it runs fine.

Yea blog the latest ssd's read and write are just staggering, couple that with instant response and wow. While ssd's are expensive so are some cpu's and motherboards, not to mention some people spend 5-8k on vga cards.

Some people seem to think 3k for an ssd is expensive while running an i7 system with 5k motherboard :D.

Still no post from peter, guess we now all know he does not own an ssd and is just a liar, but then i think me and pengiun picked that up long ago what with the windows 7 usage lie :D. Your credibility is worth nothing now peter in my opinion.
 
Thanks to all those who have provided info on this thread so far. It has helped me reach some decisions:

(1) I will single boot Windows 7 and keep minimal apps on it.
(2) I will keep and XP or pirated Win 7 in a VirtualBox to test apps before installing them on my main box, so as to keep it clean.
(3) I'll use VirtualBox to test and install the latest versions of Linux.
(4) I swear to defrag regularly, put decent anti-spyware software on my computer and use registry cleaners.
(5) I will definitely use 7 64 bit.

Any other suggestions?
 
Tass dude i do not run an anti virus on my windows 7 64 nor did on vista 64 bit.

I ran a scan once a week or ever second week and i have never picked up a virus with 64 bit windows be it, xp/vista or 7 so yea.

Has anyone who is using windows 7 64 bit had a virus or even 64 bit vista?

Tass i also found that all my software works, very little software that does not and i have to find software that does not run. Also why run minimal apps, i run tons about 7-10 apps and my install runs like a dream.
 
Tass dude i do not run an anti virus on my windows 7 64 nor did on vista 64 bit.

I ran a scan once a week or ever second week and i have never picked up a virus with 64 bit windows be it, xp/vista or 7 so yea.

Has anyone who is using windows 7 64 bit had a virus or even 64 bit vista?

Tass i also found that all my software works, very little software that does not and i have to find software that does not run. Also why run minimal apps, i run tons about 7-10 apps and my install runs like a dream.

Hi Killa,

I run a virus scanner, but haven't picked anything up in over a year, that having been said I really don't want to run the risk of losing my data. I do have a linux home server to back up onto but even so, I don't really want to take that risk. I do tend to stay away from dodgy p0rn sites.

Secondly, while I avoided Vista, as my laptop at the time couldn't run it, I have found that every version of Windows that I've had since 95 has slowed down over time. I have also seen other peoples versions slow down, so am a bit cynical. I really hope Win 7 changes this, and have read mixed results so far on this.

To clear up, I will install only the apps that I need. For example: Office / Open Office; CS3/4; Firefox; Thunderbird etc... and not crud up the computer with various other stuff. Trust me, I've got 2 big monitors (26 and 22 inch), there is no ways that I'm only going to have 3 apps open at one time.

While I expect that most software will work, I don't want to install an app, only to uninstall it a bit later when I find I don't like it. I have enough system resources to run a VB smoothly so it shouldn't be a prob.
 
Oh keep quiet you teenage kid. I'm giving comparisons so people can see what other system start up times are like.

This isn't your personal forum.

It is interesting though that my original Tiger OSX install from 2006, upgraded to Leopard is still relatively fast compared to what it was before.

Doesn't OSX support much less hardware? What's with calling everyone a kid? Saw you doing it in another thread as well. Even if it's the case you realise that our teenagers usually know far more about technology than we do, don't you?
 
Tass you know what i think, i think 32 bit windows slows down over time and not 64 bit windows.

I ran vista 64 bit for a year and a half with no reload, now with xp i reloaded every 3-4 months to freshen it up, this windows 7 install has been on for about 2 months and i must say it runs as fast as the day i installed it.

So i am beginning to think the slow down in windows happens on 32 bit windows OS's and not 64 bit.
 
No you just have to run it as windows xp SP3 and as admin and it runs fine.

Yea blog the latest ssd's read and write are just staggering, couple that with instant response and wow. While ssd's are expensive so are some cpu's and motherboards, not to mention some people spend 5-8k on vga cards.

Very true. People dig deep in their pockets for cpu/vga and save on the HDD. ATM I run my OS of a 160GB SATA drive, might just replace it by a 128 or 64GB SSD.

Has anyone who is using windows 7 64 bit had a virus or even 64 bit vista?

Nope, never.:D
 
Tass you know what i think, i think 32 bit windows slows down over time and not 64 bit windows.

I ran vista 64 bit for a year and a half with no reload, now with xp i reloaded every 3-4 months to freshen it up, this windows 7 install has been on for about 2 months and i must say it runs as fast as the day i installed it.

So i am beginning to think the slow down in windows happens on 32 bit windows OS's and not 64 bit.

Possibly, which will be absolutely great. I hope you're right.
 
Possibly, which will be absolutely great. I hope you're right.

Indeed, that could be. Simple scenario. My laptop which runs 32bit WIN7 has slowed down quite a bit. My Rig that runs 64 bit, still runs as quick as the day I have installed it.

Edit. Peter, we still waiting for your results :D
 
must say, i couldn't care less how fast my windows loads. i never rly turn my pc off.

i'm just here to see killadoob + penguin rage at PeterCH some more.

It's like myBB Springer.

Carry on :D
 
LOL

No peter will lose because he cannot show us results meaning he is a fraud.

Lies about using windows 7, having an ssd i mean what else could he be lying about :D.

Interesting to hear that your lappie slows down on 32 bit, 32 bit must be the problem then.
 
Doesn't OSX support much less hardware? What's with calling everyone a kid?

If you search Killa and Penguin's responses you'll see that they're very rude, immature, vulgar posters - they don't post politely and they use ad hominem at every opportunity. Now my reply here :) could be construed as ad hominem too, sure, but that's after many attempts from my end to deal with them politely. Just look at Penguin's signature. Of course I should not even reply to these two because it's below my dignity but I err, I'm human, sorry :).

Saw you doing it in another thread as well. Even if it's the case you realise that our teenagers usually know far more about technology than we do,

No, they don't. Some teens do but not the ones on MyBB :). I own TWO SSD drives, and if you search my posts, I commented many aeons ago that an SSD will not do much for an overall computing experience at the sizes they go for. Killadoob insists that they speed you up a lot. Well they don't - they ONLY improve start up and application start up but most people once they get their app running use it and an SSD speeds up I/O but not to files which are not stored on it.

An SSD can speed up I/O of data files - say HD video - for example XDCAM EX video at 35Mbit/sec at 1080p30 - but 7200RPM drives are good enough to get sustained read/writes of such video - but even so SSDs are faster except an HD project usually consumes 200-300GB of data minimum just for captured video - with SSD drives costing R5000 for 160GB (Max size) - it's a very expensive way of speeding up your machine marginally - most processing is still on the CPU and on the GPU or 3rd party encoder/capture board. The HDD waits for the CPU. Same with Adobe Photoshop, applying filters is CPU/GPU intensive but reading/writing a 200MB TIFF file is not so taxing on the HDD as is the data processing on the CPU.

We're going a bit off topic but I can honestly tell you that after installing the fastest SSD available on my 2006 Mac Pro - the Intel X25M 160GB Gen2 - the boot up is very fast but application startup isn't very much faster no is actual application performance because the SSD sits idly, the data is on 7200RPM drives and I would need 1TB of SSD at least - which would cost me R30,000 for a marginal speed increase.

Now SSDs do speed certain things up, if you have a PC and all your data, scratch and swap fits on an SSD, you're set. But in my and many other peoples' case tiny SSD sizes we get now are not cost effective. The best performance SSDs are made by Intel but they are 160GB max and are very expensive. Think R5000 for a measly 160GB. That's hardly enough to accommodate the OS and applications alone, you'll need a second one for data and a third for scratch. That's R15,000 to get a marginal speed increase and for very small projects - 160GB is not a lot for HD or RAW files.

Furthermore having lots of RAM, in my case 7GB, but 4GB is pretty standard now, negates the benefits of SSD even further.

SSDs will only be worthwhile when they are cheap, as cheap as HDDs now and of the same capacity.

Finally I am genuinely not an Apple fanboy. Just a person frustrated with MS' bull. :) Apple is just as full of hype, but for some reason their stuff works better - and it's not perfect either. :)
 
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