Anti rape pledge at schools

The real pledge we need from govt -

I pledge:
- To pass legislation providing a non-negotiable life without parole sentence for rape.
- To provide specialist rape units in every district.
- To ensure our police do not themselves molest those who report rape.
- To guarantee the immediate suspension of any police officer who fails to complete an accurate case file.
- To make available state of the art forensic facilities and a failproof evidence chain.
- Not to attempt to pass on government responsibilities to school children.

When that is in place we won't need any more pledges.
 
I was thinking about this very issue this week and wrote a long post on another thread then deleted it.

What is the point of a pledge anyway, will it be used in court should a person who signed a pledge be caught raping someone? Is it just lip service? I am sure we have said things throughout our lives and done the exact opposite. I think we even know people and religious groups who say one thing then do the exact opposite.
 
Those who are complaining about the pledge must be bloody communists! :mad:
 
Just to but this in perspective: When your son phones you from school and says "Dad I was asked to do a pledge to not rape women. I would never do such a thing. I am not a rapist or a criminal" - leaves a parent buzzled and I am still in the WTF zone. But yes, poorly executed without any relevant advance notice for parents (not just the school he goes to but a quick poll across friends shows that they also did not know about their schools.

Still waiting for some formal answer regarding this from the school. I do understand that there will be some life-orientation sessions to explain this to the kids in more detail and I think it is important to make kids aware of it. I have a huge issue that kids are forced (and yes it is forced, when everyone at assembly has to repeat it and you will be branded for not doing it as a rapist) to pledge to something they have zero knowledge about.
 
MagicDude4Eva said:
Just to but this in perspective: When your son phones you from school and says "Dad I was asked to do a pledge to not rape women. I would never do such a thing. I am not a rapist or a criminal" - leaves a parent buzzled and I am still in the WTF zone. But yes, poorly executed without any relevant advance notice for parents (not just the school he goes to but a quick poll across friends shows that they also did not know about their schools.
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This brings in the question as to who has the final say about the moral instruction of their children, parents or government. In the modern age, in a pro regulation country like SA, it's the government and the school, and you are just the caretaker. If they decide your child should feel shame for being considered a potential rapist on the basis of being a male citizen of a country with high rape rates, they can do it and you don't have much recourse.
 
Well if they expect the kids to do that, then I expect them to do the exact same in parliament on front of the cameras next time, and at the next mass ANC gathering. Also Cosatu, DA, the teachers. Did the teachers also have to repeat those words?

Don't forget the prisoners, no bail, no release until the usher those words.
 
Space_Chief said:
This brings in the question as to who has the final say about the moral instruction of their children, parents or government. In the modern age, in a pro regulation country like SA, it's the government and the school, and you are just the caretaker. If they decide your child should feel shame for being considered a potential rapist on the basis of being a male citizen of a country with high rape rates, they can do it and you don't have much recourse.
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But then neither schools nor government can be selective about the level of care. Instead of pushing learners for excellence, both government and the educational system just lower the pass rate until the problem of poor matric pass rates goes away. Schools very eagerly take on the easy tasks and try to become the moral compass for kids, but as soon as a challenge arises then turn the issue to the parents.
 
Children are the responsibility of parents.

Educating children is the responsibility of schools.

Schools cannot even manage their own responsibilities so leave the parents to manage theirs.
 
MagicDude4Eva said:
But then neither schools nor government can be selective about the level of care. Instead of pushing learners for excellence, both government and the educational system just lower the pass rate until the problem of poor matric pass rates goes away. Schools very eagerly take on the easy tasks and try to become the moral compass for kids, but as soon as a challenge arises then turn the issue to the parents.
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Learners don't need to be pushed for excellence. Don't you know that every child is a special little snowflake? And every one is unique and equal at the same time? Children need to just do as much as they can while maintaining happiness levels.

Lowering pass rates is fine because it helps maintain self confidence and avoids cruelly punishing those children who don't find schooling as enjoyable or who through no fault of their own do badly, i.e. all the children who don't do as well in outdated modes of performance assessment.

Certain duties can be delegated to the parents of course. Parents should engage in their childrens' education and should be supportive of the efforts the school is making.
 
Space_Chief said:
Learners don't need to be pushed for excellence. Don't you know that every child is a special little snowflake? And every one is unique and equal at the same time? Children need to just do as much as they can while maintaining happiness levels.

Lowering pass rates is fine because it helps maintain self confidence and avoids cruelly punishing those children who don't find schooling as enjoyable or who through no fault of their own do badly, i.e. all the children who don't do as well in outdated modes of performance assessment.

Certain duties can be delegated to the parents of course. Parents should engage in their childrens' education and should be supportive of the efforts the school is making.
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Crap - I am then too tough on my little Snowflake ;-). The current matric/university generation has already shocking results and make themselves unemployable.

Good thing that the youth-subsidy will fix the employment issue - the government thinks everything through for us - all problems solved - VIVA!
 
MagicDude4Eva said:
Crap - I am then too tough on my little Snowflake ;-). The current matric/university generation has already shocking results and make themselves unemployable.

Good thing that the youth-subsidy will fix the employment issue - the government thinks everything through for us - all problems solved - VIVA!
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Comrade you are becoming more and more enlightened. I salute you. ;)
 
Space_Chief said:
His post was also an observation then, an observation that he's unhappy about something.
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Hence a complaint. I'm not unhappy about anything.

I'm ****ing confused by this thread though. I have absolutely no idea what you guys are complaining about.
 
Space_Chief said:
Comrade you are becoming more and more enlightened. I salute you. ;)
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Thanks - it's an uphill battle for us colonialists to find the African way - but getting there....

Garson007 said:
Hence a complaint. I'm not unhappy about anything.

I'm ****ing confused by this thread though. I have absolutely no idea what you guys are complaining about.
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I raised the issue that I am failing to see the point why the government and school-system forces kids to pledge for an anti-rape campaign. I consider governments shotgun indoctrination approach wrong to let kids recite a pledge to create anti-rape awareness. It's another poor attempt to pretend to solve a problem. And in many cases the kids and their mothers are affected by this. A pledge and some life-orientation sessions will do jack to solve the problem.

Solution to the rape problem: Convicted rapists should get a minimum of 15 years in jail with option of parole after 10 years. Any sex offender should be listed in a sex offenders register which should be published in the community - the reason why all this does not work is our awesome constitution - which protects the criminals more than their victims.
 
What indoctrination? We're all at the mercy of the constitution whether you read it out loud or not. Kids and mothers are affected? How?

Sex offender list won't happen and for good reason.
 
MagicDude4Eva said:
Solution to the rape problem: Convicted rapists should get a minimum of 15 years in jail with option of parole after 10 years. Any sex offender should be listed in a sex offenders register which should be published in the community - the reason why all this does not work is our awesome constitution - which protects the criminals more than their victims.
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Yeah it's like these ridiculous marches against violence or abuse. In India the angry anti-rape mobs even attacked police, which seems to be a crazy thing to do. Misguided anger is never the solution.

Solution IMO starts at home. It's all about nature and nurture. Modern science tells us that the problem is more to do with nurture in most cases and so we should nurture children to see dignity in human beings. This should occur at every level, and not just at home. But I do think that at the end of the day it's an impossible exercise in the current way of seeing the world in mechanistic terms. People are just chemical reactions. Consciousness, some claim is an illusion (Never mind that they never explain that for there to be an illusion a real experience has to exist to be fooled into an illusion). Free will does not really exist, claim others. Humans are only valuable if OTHERS find them valuable, but that's an illusion too. Human relations have been turned into commodities. Eliminative materialism has to lead to moral nihilism. Good luck having it both ways: scientists and philosophers in effect saying that beliefs don't exist and then our moral systems founded on believing in equal rights, human dignity, etc.
 
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