Yes, many of you know my story. My sister was gang-raped and committed suicide because of it. Doesn't mean I hate my country. I hate the fsckers who did it to her though (the individuals, not the race)...
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Yes, many of you know my story. My sister was gang-raped and committed suicide because of it. Doesn't mean I hate my country. I hate the fsckers who did it to her though (the individuals, not the race)...
Jola
Honorary Master
Well, you are certainly a better person than I am if you can still be positive about the country after that !
killadoob
Honorary Master
DJ i am not saying being positive is a bad thing, i am saying being as positive as lance is a bad thing.
Going around acting like crime is not as bad as people make out like lance does is not the way to go about it. We should all be together on this crime thing and i think too many of us think that if crime does not affect us the stats must be fabricated and full of lies.
Just as i must accept your point you should look at mine as well because basically you are positive and i am negative. Both sides have valid points and only time will tell whether positive will win over negative and sure Fing hope it does. I hope we do not go the way of so many African countries. So i am not without hope but the way things are going i cannot see the light at the end of tunnel.
Sadly i do not believe a corrupt government like we have will ever change things, Africa has shown a corrupt government is not a prosperous one for the people of the country. So if i just follow the african trend of corrupt government = devastated country it is only a matter of time.
Being positive is awesome though but i cannot talk myself into being positive when i see nothing positive around me.
Going around acting like crime is not as bad as people make out like lance does is not the way to go about it. We should all be together on this crime thing and i think too many of us think that if crime does not affect us the stats must be fabricated and full of lies.
Just as i must accept your point you should look at mine as well because basically you are positive and i am negative. Both sides have valid points and only time will tell whether positive will win over negative and sure Fing hope it does. I hope we do not go the way of so many African countries. So i am not without hope but the way things are going i cannot see the light at the end of tunnel.
Sadly i do not believe a corrupt government like we have will ever change things, Africa has shown a corrupt government is not a prosperous one for the people of the country. So if i just follow the african trend of corrupt government = devastated country it is only a matter of time.
Being positive is awesome though but i cannot talk myself into being positive when i see nothing positive around me.
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+1 to that DJ
LancelotSA
Banned
Just to state that this does not mean I am unaware of the bad news. I am fully aware, I just see not need to share it as most of the members are already aware of it as it gets publicised far more and someone else is bound to have shared it here already. I therefore only endeavour to provide a bit of balance.
I was not aware and I am sorry to hear that. It would still be interesting, but not sure necessary or perhaps a little insensitive, to find out how prevalent it is as regards directly affecting members and the numbers.
I do know of a friend who was raped and my brother, who was with her at the time, was kicked repeatedly and virtually left for dead. They have both fully recovered physically but I am sure the mental scars never totally heal. So yeah, I am fully aware that these crimes happen but as with yourself, I despise the individuals and not the country. The police were also brilliant.
How so? It appears to have motivated him to do a lot more than most people in this country are willing to. Including you. And to be honest, we need people like Lancelot around to balance what from my perspective, is an overly-negative vibe in SA...
They were horrendously useless in my sister's case and the perps got off scot-free. But to be honest, I've been hijacked twice, broken into countless times, mugged etc. Crime is a definite problem, there is absolutely no doubting that, and having travelled a fair amount, it certainly is more prevalent in SA than most other countries I've been to and even lived in. The last incident was an attempted hijacking where prick pulled the trigger against my head and the gun jammed. They strolled to a petrol station with my stuff and calmly handed over my belongings to a taxi who sped off. Stopped a cop who then BS'd me stating that this wasn't his area and he couldn't radio it in because they work on different frequencies. So yes, crime is a major issue and I do not deny it. I just don't believe we can give up on trying to do something about it...
my 2 cents on this.
to each his own - if people keep on seeing the negative then they are most welcome to their perspective.
but from my own personal experience (suffering from severe depression , attempting suicide whilst at varsity) I know that there's more to life than only seeing the negative , bad things.
Wasted the best years of my life seeing only the negative , but now I know better.
It saddens me that people only sees the bad and not the good - yes it's out there if you really look hard.
to each his own - if people keep on seeing the negative then they are most welcome to their perspective.
but from my own personal experience (suffering from severe depression , attempting suicide whilst at varsity) I know that there's more to life than only seeing the negative , bad things.
Wasted the best years of my life seeing only the negative , but now I know better.
It saddens me that people only sees the bad and not the good - yes it's out there if you really look hard.
Plenty of good points. And a couple on both sides I disagree with. I can rattle of a few more negatives i.t.o. the bigger picture e.g. electricity, water - infrastructure basically. And both my business and I are taxed to ****ing death - for what I reckon is very little return.
BUT, and I suppose that's the value of a forum like this, maybe you sunshine guys have a point. I'm going to spend some time thinking of ways to become more proactively involved where there is need. A more direct approach if you will. The difference is I'll still be leaning towards a more pessimistic outcome for our future, you guys see it as building blocks for the positive outcome. At least someone in need may be a bit better off and that's good enough reason to do it. And let's be honest, it is satisfying to help someone on a personal level, even if it looks to be an exercise in futility when you stare down the avalanche of crap enveloping you.
Geez, your optimism is starting to worry me...
BUT, and I suppose that's the value of a forum like this, maybe you sunshine guys have a point. I'm going to spend some time thinking of ways to become more proactively involved where there is need. A more direct approach if you will. The difference is I'll still be leaning towards a more pessimistic outcome for our future, you guys see it as building blocks for the positive outcome. At least someone in need may be a bit better off and that's good enough reason to do it. And let's be honest, it is satisfying to help someone on a personal level, even if it looks to be an exercise in futility when you stare down the avalanche of crap enveloping you.
Geez, your optimism is starting to worry me...
Geriatrix
Executive Member
We've had what-crime-have-you-experienced threads here before just do search. The latest thing in my life is that one of my close friends where robbed by Metro Police this past weekend. Yes, cops. They pulled him over and stole from him, saying that he's white he can afford it. Nice hey.
He reported it and its "being investigated" but we know they'll get away with it. There's simply no proof.
He reported it and its "being investigated" but we know they'll get away with it. There's simply no proof.
LancelotSA
Banned
They all have PC numbers on their chests or registration plates on the car. He really should have recorded them (I hope he did) and reported it. Again there are things one can do. They could have joined those other 10,000 cops people are referring to.
The ruling elite are incompetent imo. No two ways about it. To allow things to wash over to this point is ridiculous. As SlinkyMike and I were discussing in the thread I referred to earlier - do we remain as apathetic as we have been? Or do we start doing something about it? I mean the number of neutrals far outweighs the number of extremists. If we had a formalised represenation, we could actually do something about it. I just have no fscking idea about politics (as in the intricacies of it)...
BUT, and I suppose that's the value of a forum like this, maybe you sunshine guys have a point. I'm going to spend some time thinking of ways to become more proactively involved where there is need. A more direct approach if you will. The difference is I'll still be leaning towards a more pessimistic outcome for our future, you guys see it as building blocks for the positive outcome. At least someone in need may be a bit better off and that's good enough reason to do it. And let's be honest, it is satisfying to help someone on a personal level, even if it looks to be an exercise in futility when you stare down the avalanche of crap enveloping you.
But, but....but...you're an atheist. How could you ever get this right?
Awesome stuff. That really has been my intention all along. If just one person can think of ways in which to enrish someone else's life because of this, then it's a success. Like I said before, pessimism breeds pessimism. Optimism breeds action. And I'm not asking anyone to become optimistic all of a sudden, but rather to be just a little less pessimistic when it comes to what you as a person can contribute towards resolving our issues in SA...
Haha. Don't worry, I have my days when all I want to do is post some random speech about how crap this country is. Those are few and far between when I let my emotions get the better of me. I find logic takes over and I don't want to fall into the negativity trap - it's far too easy to do. It's far harder to go against the grain but more rewarding...
eblockwatch has a facility where you can record everything when pulled over by the cops...and it's free. Just dial a number and it records the conversation taking place...
Geriatrix
Executive Member
He did report it. Not sure if he recorded the pc numbers but he got the plates. We'll see what happens.
killadoob
Honorary Master
Ya we cannot give up!!!!!!!!!! got to keep putting the cops in jail dammit!!!!!!!! 10000 and counting and those are only the ones who have been caught 
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.Geriatrix
Executive Member
Ok Cool, and its legal? Can they tell you to turn it off and do you have to tell them you're recording?
Little late for my friend now but maybe it can be useful in the future.
:edit http://www.eblockwatch.co.za/
Thanks dj
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sand_man
Honorary Master
So the answer is an emphatic yes.. Sorry, what was the question again?
Apparently so, and the likelihood is that they won't know they're being recorded because it's just a call you make on your cell - programme it into speed dial and next time you get flagged to pull over, just dial it. Even if they asked you to switch it off, I doubt there is any law against you recording something in your personal capacity in your own vehicle (unless of course you're driving and operating the vehicle, that is). There are success stories of this which I receive by email. Just google eblockwatch and follow the links from their home-page - it explain it in depth and could help you out one day...
Jola
Honorary Master
That one !
So we shouldn't bath or shower because we're just going to get dirty again - that's the argument you're using? Really!?
So because there are too many people who need help, you feel helping one would be worthless. Ridiculous...