Cell C is lying about MTRs: Vodacom, MTN

jannievanzyl said:
So you drop your prices to unsustainable low levels and then try and get the regulator to bail you out? Balsy but risky in the extreme, betting the farm on one single event.

You might recall Cell C did this before. Lars dropped the 2GB data pricing forcing the others to follow. When the numbers did not materialize (sound familiar?), he 'left' and the new CEO put the prices back up causing such an outcry he had to put the promos back. We're seeing the same movie right now with similar results.
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VC is certainly in no place to talk (re its own past data promotions); the only difference is that when VC chooses to raise it's data prices (typically double or more); it's quite content to tell its customers to f..k off or deal with it.
 
[)roi(];12373762 said:
VC is certainly in no place to talk (re its own past data promotions); the only difference is that when VC chooses to raise it's data prices (typically double or more); it's quite content to tell its customers to f..k off or deal with it.
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Example of "raised data prices"?
 
[)roi(];12373762 said:
VC is certainly in no place to talk (re its own past data promotions); the only difference is that when VC chooses to raise it's data prices (typically double or more); it's quite content to tell its customers to f..k off or deal with it.
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Please give me ONE example of raised data pricing.
 
jannievanzyl said:
You are very confused it seems. I suggest you do some more reading.

But let me help you; what was the price of the 20GB bundle before it was on special for R499? And what is its permanent price now?
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Lol... did I hit a nerve?

So if I'm (we're) to understand you correctly; you imply that less shafting after a promotional event than prior to it is evidence that VC actually cares about it customers....

Mmmmhhhh....? As much I try to give some level of credence to your POV, I'm sorry just don't get it :rolleyes:

Let me clear the air a little: VC was basically able to run the reduced data cost promotion for a considerably extended period; an extended period that IMO would never be done as loss leader; hence my implication.

Unless of course you're implying that VC purposefully adopted an unprofitable price strategy for an extended period?
Now if that's correct? then let's avert the current argument and start a new one on; what examples constitute predatory pricing.

...and if I somehow still miss the mark; then please use this opportunity to provide some clarity.
 
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Regardless ... Termination rates comes down the customer scores ... Even if cell c wants something in it for themselves .... So I'd rather support cell c in this quest than Vodacom or mtn ... Regarding asymmetry ... Yes that must come down ... The two big boys are minting it because most calls a cell c client well make will be to a voda or mtn number ... Charge the client 99c but give voda and mtn a nice chunk of that return ...
 
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Maybe jannie can explain why vc and MTN prices are cheaper all over Africa where they offer their services.?? They had a discussion on this on 702 some time back. John Robbie asked the exact question. So would love to hear this explanation
Don't say this is telkoms fault because that's crap
 
I don't think Vodacom have increased any filed data tariff in the last few years but the promotional pricing game is a space in which that is pretty much the norm. However Vodacom likes to talk about the effective price on calling but they have not to my knowledge ever given figures on the effective price of data (per meg or per gig) and I am quite sure that that figure is not coming down nearly by as much as they'd like to reveal and when some promotions end and aren't automatically replaced it is likely that a big chunk o the cheaper data usage is out of the average so the effective rate is adversely affected. Except that of course they don't tell us - they like to talk about effective rates on voice but not data and there is probably a reason for that.
Because they want us to use effective rates on voice the same should apply to data and if the effective rate of data has ever gone up then you have raised data pricing and a massive failure by Vodacom.
 
Paul Hjul said:
I don't think Vodacom have increased any filed data tariff in the last few years but the promotional pricing game is a space in which that is pretty much the norm. However Vodacom likes to talk about the effective price on calling but they have not to my knowledge ever given figures on the effective price of data (per meg or per gig) and I am quite sure that that figure is not coming down nearly by as much as they'd like to reveal and when some promotions end and aren't automatically replaced it is likely that a big chunk o the cheaper data usage is out of the average so the effective rate is adversely affected. Except that of course they don't tell us - they like to talk about effective rates on voice but not data and there is probably a reason for that.
Because they want us to use effective rates on voice the same should apply to data and if the effective rate of data has ever gone up then you have raised data pricing and a massive failure by Vodacom.
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Agreed; with OOB pricing it's probably a lot worse than even we could imagine.
 
[)roi(];12374164 said:
Lol... did I hit a nerve?

So if I'm (we're) to understand you correctly; you imply that less shafting after a promotional event than prior to it is evidence that VC actually cares about it customers....

Mmmmhhhh....? As much I try to give some level of credence to your POV, I'm sorry just don't get it :rolleyes:

Let me clear the air a little: VC was basically able to run the reduced data cost promotion for a considerably extended period; an extended period that IMO would never be done as loss leader; hence my implication.

Unless of course you're implying that VC purposefully adopted an unprofitable price strategy for an extended period?
Now if that's correct? then let's avert the current argument and start a new one on; what examples constitute predatory pricing.

...and if I somehow still miss the mark; then please use this opportunity to provide some clarity.
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So, let me get this straight. You're saying that if Vodacom did not follow the competition it would be screwing customers. But if it does follow competition, it's guilty of predatory pricing?
 
Paul Hjul said:
I don't think Vodacom have increased any filed data tariff in the last few years but the promotional pricing game is a space in which that is pretty much the norm. However Vodacom likes to talk about the effective price on calling but they have not to my knowledge ever given figures on the effective price of data (per meg or per gig) and I am quite sure that that figure is not coming down nearly by as much as they'd like to reveal and when some promotions end and aren't automatically replaced it is likely that a big chunk o the cheaper data usage is out of the average so the effective rate is adversely affected. Except that of course they don't tell us - they like to talk about effective rates on voice but not data and there is probably a reason for that.
Because they want us to use effective rates on voice the same should apply to data and if the effective rate of data has ever gone up then you have raised data pricing and a massive failure by Vodacom.
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YoY reduction in data is way over 20%, don't have the exact number on me. MyBB reported it before. Pretty sure effective data rates have been published.
 
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