MoM and WoW (week on week not world of warcraft) is of more interest to me. I can easily believe that YoY comes in at about 20% for a selected 365 day period and each time I've seen products or approaches that help with data uptake I've given credit - even where VC is getting a lot of flack - but on the whole I am damn sure that with all the data available a DoD or WoW glance will reveal a hiccup - largely because of the dynamics in demand. I'm quite interested in what the pattern of use and charge in a month is.
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Nope; in case you missed: the lack of price parity with the rest of competition and world averages, immoderate OOB price and promotion based predatory pricing paints a clear picture of VC's disdain for both it's customers and for fair competition.
OGroteKoning
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jannievanzyl
Telecoms expert
So you're saying all the data price comparisons MyBB does, showing VC to be price competitive are wrong? In fact, on many bundles VC leads.[)roi(];12374554 said:
And, with all due respect, your comment about Vodacom following the market on promotions being predatory is just plain stupid.
OGroteKoning
Honorary Master
Please investigate. I bought 3GB and no NO was allocated. Can't give you a link.
jannievanzyl
Telecoms expert
That's on prepaid, right? Always been the price, no price increase.
jannievanzyl
Telecoms expert
Prepaid or on Contract?
OGroteKoning
Honorary Master
Wrong. It's on contract.
OGroteKoning
Honorary Master
Contract. But it is not the only time when NO was not allocated, it was just the most recent time.
When are you going to make OB=IB. You said you would.
Top up data contract
jannievanzyl
Telecoms expert
Sure it's not TopUp?
I'm happy to put the proverbial on the block OOB on Contract did not go up.
I'm not doing data pricing anymore but will check, in any case.
On many bundles and promotions VC does lead but it doesn't change the fact that there remains that other than the occasional jab at CellC or TM Vodacom doesn't upset the apple cart with respect to data pricing. Several products have come close but a lack of OOBShark protection mechanisms and general marketing problems really pervades and then just being stupid about CTRs and hurting the industry is daft ...
Of course CTRs and data are only distantly related - unless of course Vodacom realizes that they should be looking forward rather than in a fray
jannievanzyl
Telecoms expert
Looks like it. Thus no price increase. Or NO.
To put it simply, if we had to increase ANY data pricing, all hell would break loose.
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jannievanzyl
Telecoms expert
A number of OOB 'protection' mechanisms are in place and have been for a long time.
You sure somebody in the accounts department didn't migrate a postpaid contract to a top up?
I know that has happened before
jannievanzyl
Telecoms expert
You're wrong.
jannievanzyl
Telecoms expert
On data?
OGroteKoning
Honorary Master
Nope, except if VDC changed it without my permission
Nope, except if VDC changed it without my permission
Stop putting your cock on the block. One of these days you might have to invent blades thin enough to make micro slices
Nope, except if VDC changed it without my permission
They don't work effectively. But we know this would be a non-issue if you made OB=IB once and for all
the excessive OOB is proof alone of this, but give me a second and I'll expand on this.
Nope that's exactly what it is... Stifling competition through sheer financial might -- the very definition of predatory pricing. Viewed in isolation it might be easily dismissed as crude marketing; but that's just it, it's not!
As a customer I find it utter reprehensible that Vodacom can drop data prices for an extended period when faced with competition, and then subsequently argue in the press that lower data costs are not sustainable and/or profitable; now couple that with OOB and it's very apparent.
Care to dispute the above contradiction?
...and as promised here's an expanded version:
How can "unprofitable" promotion pricing be sustained for a lengthy term + if it is indeed unprofitable then that fact alone makes this predatory pricing (i.e. pricing below cost to stifle competition -- their cash coffers being unable to withstand a lengthy financial loss).
On the other side of the contradiction, is that for all VC's media denials; it could very well be marginally profitable, and the subsequent hikes at the cease of the promotion should be seen as nothing less than profit mongering.
Either way its a perfect example of VC's big f..k you to the consumers and to competitive fair play.
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