Dial-up is dead

you know what's sad though? is that those living in remote areas are the ones that use dialup... not the ones in the city.

So effectively if someone doesn't get their A$$es in motion those people are going to be cut out...
 
Ah the good old days of dialup. Uncapped weekends if your were using R7-weekend. I may actually have downloaded more on dialup than when I first got broadband.
 
rpm said:
Dial-up is dead
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So according to Mr. Goldstruck's own numbers, 35% ( 700K / 700K+1.3M ) of people who access the internet is considered 'dead'?

But, actually the 1.3M number is also not correct if you want to use dial-up in the same equation.

So while there are 1.3M data bundles of some sort sold per month (I assume this is his measurement), both MTN and VC have a few million concurrent data users on their networks if you include the "ad-hoc" data users, i.e. those who use their phones to access mail, etc. on a more 'intermittent' basis.

I.e., just like dial-up.
 
Peder said:
you know what's sad though? is that those living in remote areas are the ones that use dialup... not the ones in the city.

So effectively if someone doesn't get their A$$es in motion those people are going to be cut out...
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GPRS/EDGE is a perfect, like for like, replacement for dial-up and it covers around 98% of SA's population. Much more than Telkom landlines.
 
vodacom3g said:
GPRS/EDGE is a perfect, like for like, replacement for dial-up and it covers around 98% of SA's population. Much more than Telkom landlines.
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Ja, I was going to say this. There is no more need for dial-up. Wherever you have a cell tower you can get slightly faster than dial-up through GPRS and probably a bit cheaper as well.
 
Piet Koornhof is famous for his apartheid is dead comment in 1979.

Dial-up appears to be going to be dead only in 5 years time.
 
Peder said:
you know what's sad though? is that those living in remote areas are the ones that use dialup... not the ones in the city.

So effectively if someone doesn't get their A$$es in motion those people are going to be cut out...
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My dad can hardly get a decent dailup connection living 3 hours outside of cape town with all the line noise. He has no hope of getting ADSL or wireless.
 
vodacom3g said:
So according to Mr. Goldstruck's own numbers, 35% ( 700K / 700K+1.3M ) of people who access the internet is considered 'dead'?
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I will try to avoid the personal nature of the criticism, but think it important to point out that such criticisms tend to look at the original statement (that is being attacked) without its context, and leaps onto a single comment with no context or nuance. I will also try to avoid making capital out of the incorrect spelling of a surname by someone who is putting up a fierce argument based on the meaning of words.
So here is the context: dial-up is on a steeply declining usage curve, with its overall product life cycle matching almost precisely the classic technology product life cycle curve. It is firmly on the downward slope now, making it inevitable that it will be phased out as a commercial offering in the next few years, while still available by arrangement. This means that, effectively, it is dead. I can't imagine why anyone would want to argue this point, except as a point-scoring exercise.
Arthur
 
Made quick sums in my head, when we had dial-up in the old days we used to pay R7 per call per night which would have worked out to R217 plus the callmore charge which was fifty-something...

so it came out to 267 which was CONSIDERABLY less than with a Vodacom modem, on a contract...

Haven't used callmore in such a long time i forgot, and last time i looked for info on 3G and so on for some friends of mine living in a remote location it wasn't worth the modem and all... although they have reception
 
vodacom modem? you mean any cellphone which is capable of GPRS/EDGE? I think there might be a few of those lying around.
 
With the R7 weekend and consistent speeds of 5K per second and up, I could download
400MB per 24 hours or 800MB per weekend back in '98-2006. Every evening one could do (and did) about 100MB. That's about 5-6GB per month downloaded. I'm sorry, a 3G
5GB package in 2004 cost what??? Yeah I thought so. The issue here is the issue of a cap. The R7 callmore thing and cheap R75-120 dialup access pm made it wortwhile.

As for 3G right now, connecting my mobile to the cell phone network at 1.8Mb/sec gave me a top speed of 20KB/sec
and about 10-12KB/sec average - yeah 3G. No wonder people are moving away from dialup. We've exchanged larger caps
for smaller caps and slightly faster downloads.
 
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Peder said:
Made quick sums in my head, when we had dial-up in the old days we used to pay R7 per call per night which would have worked out to R217 plus the callmore charge which was fifty-something...

so it came out to 267 which was CONSIDERABLY less than with a Vodacom modem, on a contract...

Haven't used callmore in such a long time i forgot, and last time i looked for info on 3G and so on for some friends of mine living in a remote location it wasn't worth the modem and all... although they have reception
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Has Telkodemonopolies stopped charging for line rental?

BTW, I could be wrong, but that ZAR7.00 was closer to ~ZAR10 about 12 to 18 months ago...

PS: This was not a discussion about 3G being a replacement for dialup, it was a discussion about someone [many millions of people actually] that already have a GPRS|EDGE cellphone, being able to replace their dialup, and there will be many that don't even have dialup but do have such a cellphone...
 
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ic said:
Has Telkodemonopolies stopped charging for line rental?

BTW, I could be wrong, but that ZAR7.00 was closer to ~ZAR10 about 12 to 18 months ago...

PS: This was not a discussion about 3G being a replacement for dialup, it was a discussion about someone [many millions of people actually] that already have a GPRS|EDGE cellphone, being able to replace their dialup, and there will be many that don't even have dialup but do have such a cellphone...
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yeah i understand, its just from the viewpoint i made my first statement, Dial-up was more effecient than GPRS even with a phone...

All the people i was thinking of do is skype sometimes and usually check mail, and neither of their phones have ways of connecting to the pc so dial-up is easiest for now...
 
Art2 said:
I will try to avoid the personal nature of the criticism, but think it important to point out that such criticisms tend to look at the original statement (that is being attacked) without its context, and leaps onto a single comment with no context or nuance. I will also try to avoid making capital out of the incorrect spelling of a surname by someone who is putting up a fierce argument based on the meaning of words.
So here is the context: dial-up is on a steeply declining usage curve, with its overall product life cycle matching almost precisely the classic technology product life cycle curve. It is firmly on the downward slope now, making it inevitable that it will be phased out as a commercial offering in the next few years, while still available by arrangement. This means that, effectively, it is dead. I can't imagine why anyone would want to argue this point, except as a point-scoring exercise.
Arthur
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700000 dial up subscribers at the present moment means they comprise about the same number as ADSL subscribers;). Dead in FIVE YEARS TIME != DEAD NOW;)

Peder said:
Made quick sums in my head, when we had dial-up in the old days we used to pay R7 per call per night which would have worked out to R217 plus the callmore charge which was fifty-something...

so it came out to 267 which was CONSIDERABLY less than with a Vodacom modem, on a contract...

Haven't used callmore in such a long time i forgot, and last time i looked for info on 3G and so on for some friends of mine living in a remote location it wasn't worth the modem and all... although they have reception
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Check out this thread;).
 
Art2 said:
I will try to avoid the personal nature of the criticism, but think it important to point out that such criticisms tend to look at the original statement (that is being attacked) without its context, and leaps onto a single comment with no context or nuance. I will also try to avoid making capital out of the incorrect spelling of a surname by someone who is putting up a fierce argument based on the meaning of words.
So here is the context: dial-up is on a steeply declining usage curve, with its overall product life cycle matching almost precisely the classic technology product life cycle curve. It is firmly on the downward slope now, making it inevitable that it will be phased out as a commercial offering in the next few years, while still available by arrangement. This means that, effectively, it is dead. I can't imagine why anyone would want to argue this point, except as a point-scoring exercise.
Arthur
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You might want to calm down there, boy.... :confused:

Cisco (commercial) routers using WAN connections actually have a backup option... most of them being able to use dial-up connections as a secondary route in case the WAN connection fails.
 
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