Extraterrestrial life

[porchrat]

What makes you think advanced alien craft have not figured out how to eliminate air friction?

This is where the science part flies out the window. Now when these things stop making sense we appeal to magic.

It's not just air friction. It's the way the atmosphere reacts to a body displacing it. The air has to go somewhere and it can only move so fast before pressure builds, not just as the air hits the craft necessarily, but as the air strikes more air.

And seeing that ufos make no sound at such speeds, fully supports the theory that they have

Eh... there are other, more realistic, conclusions one could draw.

 

[semaphore]

Oh, i ran out of arguments, have I? What arguments have i run out of, exactly?
You say my photos are of balloons. (hilarious to say the least - i would recommend you find a good optometrist because that assertion is what i would expect at least a half-blind person to say)
Why do i say these objects are of an ET/interdimensional origin?
Because i literally see them after performing the ce-5 protocols. What is the ce-5 protocols all about?
It's about changing your brainwave to a different frequency to "connect" with ETs and invite them to show themselves from your own back garden.
But i guess that's just coincidence, huh?
So i perform this ce-5 thing, and then these strange objects show up in the sky.
But nope!
I cannot be, right?
It must just be coincidence, right?
Yet, coincidences cannot even be mathematically nor statistically proven.
So i have at least 2 data points of evidence : 1. I perform an activity which is literally designed to get ETs to show up, and 2. I take photographic and video evidence of such events.
That's not half bad.
At least i have 2 data points of proof that what i'm saying is correct, and you have none whatsoever.
So amongst us all, i have literally provided far more evidence of what i am asserting, and all you can do is post cynical comments with nothing to backup to your claims.
Further, my camera is more than good enough to discern any type of balloon from an unknown object.

So it boils down to this : I have provided more evidence for my claims, than anyone here has about theirs.
And, if you think my photos are fakes, like some kind of macro photos of a sugar crystal, well, there is nothing i can do to change your mind other than recommend you take my photos to an expert

You need to lay off the ****ing meth.

 

[Heisenborg]

You need to lay off the ****ing meth.

He needs to take more. Maybe it helps

 

[kevin42]

Then why come here at all then? If they have no interest in helping us or interacting with us, what's the point of them coming here.
My assumption of them seeing us as circus monkeys here for their entertainment seems correct. So these "aliens" seems no better than the local lot here on the planet.

I've always had a version of this question throughout the years whenever the topic of aliens 'out of this world' is brought up.

I try my best to imagine the same reason why we have academics that dedicate their lives to study ants, or why some people like to hang from their testicals for fun.

For the amount of weird stuff people are into just here on planet Earth, I can't imagine the curiosities or kinks some space-traveling/dimensional jerking entities would have for our planet or species. Maybe we're just that far out of context to even understand or comprehend.

Maybe they are watching the CE5 people from above and just having a fat laugh, "yo Gazorpazorp, let's see if they can take a picture of this one!" "Lol no they'll just say we're balloons"

 

[DirkvT]

I've always had a version of this question throughout the years whenever the topic of aliens 'out of this world' is brought up.

I try my best to imagine the same reason why we have academics that dedicate their lives to study ants, or why some people like to hang from their testicals for fun.

For the amount of weird stuff people are into just here on planet Earth, I can't imagine the curiosities or kinks some space-traveling/dimensional jerking entities would have for our planet or species. Maybe we're just that far out of context to even understand or comprehend.

Maybe they are watching the CE5 people from above and just having a fat laugh, "yo Gazorpazorp, let's see if they can take a picture of this one!" "Lol no they'll just say we're balloons"

What if we are their pet project ? What if we are actually distant relatives? Perhaps they have a vested interest in us for some reason we don't even know about yet?
We are quite a warring species. Nuclear weapons i would imagine are quite the red flag.
Perhaps they don't want us to colonize space with nuclear weapon capability because at some point our leaders might be dumb enough to employ them......against them.
And for such reasons, are keeping a keep eye out on our progress. (or regression)

 

[DirkvT]

This is where the science part flies out the window. Now when these things stop making sense we appeal to magic.

It's not just air friction. It's the way the atmosphere reacts to a body displacing it. The air has to go somewhere and it can only move so fast before pressure builds, not just as the air hits the craft necessarily, but as the air strikes more air.


Eh... there are other, more realistic, conclusions one could draw.

Like mylar balloons that outfly our fastest fighter jets?

 

[DirkvT]

It will increase its acceleration.

Why would it reduce the sound it makes?

Why would it reduce the amount of the atmosphere it displaces? Has volume magically decreased? How would it make the atmosphere move out of the way of that craft faster preventing pressure waves? Why would it prevent the zone of lowered pressure behind that craft as the atmosphere crashes back into the void left by the craft as it moves forward?

A bullet travelling fast enough to make a sonic boom is significantly less of a "boom" than a fighter jet travelling at the same speed.
Adding to this, if you can encapsulate a craft with a vacuum bubble, no sound would be perceivable.

 

[kevin42]

What if we are their pet project ? What if we are actually distant relatives? Perhaps they have a vested interest in us for some reason we don't even know about yet?
We are quite a warring species. Nuclear weapons i would imagine are quite the red flag.
Perhaps they don't want us to colonize space with nuclear weapon capability because at some point our leaders might be dumb enough to employ them......against them.
And for such reasons, are keeping a keep eye out on our progress. (or regression)

Here's the thing, man... I'm probably one of the people that's going to give you some attention here because you're not the first guy to tune me about CE5 or show me pictures. In fact, when I saw your pictures I immediately knew it was CE5 related because I had been shown similar, but comparatively trash cellphone pictures previously of what you are describing. Only here's the thing, the person I know that also performs these activities lives in Johannesburg.

I had recently started a new hobby and via that hobby met a new friend, and we ended up on the topic of aliens, and he told me about CE5 and showed me his pictures. Before that, I had listened to a Joe Rogan episode quite some time ago that had on a gentleman by the name of Dr Steven Greer who is supposedly the creator of the process. At the time, I thought it was a bunch of junk.

Today, I'm curious. It's come up too many times now for me to completely write off personally, aside from your personal interpretations of what you are witnessing and your beliefs in how involved or not these entities may be with our species. To me, I wouldn't expect them to give much thought to us, and if they did, I don't think it requires them to completely destabilise our world's belief systems for them to achieve whatever goals they might have within our perceiveable space.

All I do know, is that it's damn coincidental these balloons pop up so consistently, or you guys are trolling me befok and you've gotten me good.

 

[PaulGherkin]

What if we are their pet project ? What if we are actually distant relatives? Perhaps they have a vested interest in us for some reason we don't even know about yet?
We are quite a warring species. Nuclear weapons i would imagine are quite the red flag.
Perhaps they don't want us to colonize space with nuclear weapon capability because at some point our leaders might be dumb enough to employ them......against them.
And for such reasons, are keeping a keep eye out on our progress. (or regression)

 

[Heisenborg]

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Lol

Well at least they havent detected our warp drives at area 51 yet

 

[DirkvT]

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Wow! I never knew that philosophical thinking was akin to smoking crack.

Thanks for clearing that up!
Let me get back to getting hypnotized by a television set and playing video games istead

 

[Brian_G]

Some food for thought;

Although the intelligent aliens possibility theory is now believed ruled out, interesting to see how seriously scientists were prepared to consider it here

 

[saor]

What if we are their pet project ? What if we are actually distant relatives? Perhaps they have a vested interest in us for some reason we don't even know about yet?
We are quite a warring species. Nuclear weapons i would imagine are quite the red flag.
Perhaps they don't want us to colonize space with nuclear weapon capability because at some point our leaders might be dumb enough to employ them......against them.
And for such reasons, are keeping a keep eye out on our progress. (or regression)

Which would be cool if you had good reason to think that what you saw were indeed ET's. But I think the real test we're being exposed to is a test of maturity: Can we see the inexplicable and approach it with an open mind; shed all the attached narratives and the sense of being part of something they afford and instead stand stripped bare of confabulations so that we might walk through the door of clear understanding ourselves. Fairies, goblins, spirits, ghosts & UFOs...the same phenomena testing us in various guises and time & time again we reveal our immaturity and it packs up & tries again in another form.

 

[porchrat]

A bullet travelling fast enough to make a sonic boom is significantly less of a "boom" than a fighter jet travelling at the same speed.

Yes because the amount of the atmosphere it displaces, is far lower (i.e. it's volume is far lower). So the shockwave is far smaller. Not because it weighs less. The atmosphere doesn't care how much you weigh. It cares how much volume you displace and how fast you need to displace it.

Adding to this, if you can encapsulate a craft with a vacuum bubble, no sound would be perceivable.

No sounds from the engines potentially. It's still going to generate a shockwave because it still has to move the atmosphere out of the way at high speed generating massive pressure. That pressure wave at the leading edge of the craft then crashes into the region of low pressure left behind the craft as it moves through the air. This "crashing" is where the sonic boom, and the impact we feel, is coming from. That's a physical property of the atmosphere itself. (this is the point I'm making that you have missed in God knows how many posts by now)

You can change the exact speed at which the pressure differentials between the front and back of the craft allow for the creation of the "crash" effect very slightly through playing with the aerodynamics of the craft, but you can't stop it.

Saying "vacuum" like it's a safe word isn't going to change these fundamental physics. You're conflating inertial mass with air pressure.

The weird part is that you acknowledge that a bullet can still generate a shockwave, and thus can still be perceived in flight as a result, despite it not even having an engine, but you then contradict yourself and claim an aircraft will be silent because we can't hear the engine.

 

[Moosedrool]

At this point, with the state the world is in, I wouldn't consider it an "abduction".
I would consider it a rescue mission and be utterly grateful

Do you have any unexplained rashes or markings on your body you can't explain?

Feel behind your ear for a rash? They might have had their way with you already.

 

[porchrat]

Like mylar balloons that outfly our fastest fighter jets?

You're still believing them by default. It's not scientific.

 

[saor]

Seems you get get pretty far at reducing what ground observers hear without invoking any nth-dimensional vacuum physics.

Finally, some experimental aircraft designs use advanced materials and structures to absorb or dissipate the energy of a sonic boom, effectively "softening" the boom so that it is barely audible on the ground.

 

[porchrat]

Seems you get get pretty far at reducing what ground observers hear without invoking any nth-dimensional vacuum physics.

Sure you can soften it. Keep in mind as well that the faster you're moving, and the harder you accelerate, the harder this becomes because you need to deal with more air per unit time, and we're talking about things that go stupid fast, stupidly quick.

You could build some sort of extremely long and extremely thin impractical aircraft, so that even though the volume is still big, it's only needing to displace a small amount of air at any one point. I believe NASA is working on something that looks like that (EDIT: I see that's the craft your video is talking about). The idea being that we could return to the days of supersonic commercial flight that doesn't murder eardrums as you fly by.

I'm not aware of any aircraft that eliminates that shockwave though and I fail to see how reducing inertial mass is going to impact this at all. It's word salad by people that don't understand the absolute fundamentals of how aircraft and the atmosphere work.

 

[WollieVerstege]

Sure you can soften it. Keep in mind as well that the faster you're moving, and the harder you accelerate, the harder this becomes because you need to deal with more air per unit time, and we're talking about things that go stupid fast, stupidly quick.

You could build some sort of extremely long and extremely thin impractical aircraft, so that even though the volume is still big, it's only needing to displace a small amount of air at any one point. I believe NASA is working on something that looks like that (EDIT: I see that's the craft your video is talking about). The idea being that we could return to the days of supersonic commercial flight that doesn't murder eardrums as you fly by.

I'm not aware of any aircraft that eliminates that shockwave though and I fail to see how reducing inertial mass is going to impact this at all. It's word salad by people that don't understand the absolute fundamentals of how aircraft and the atmosphere work.

Same goes for wake turbulence, you might be able to reduce it to some extent, but it will always be there and will always be worse the faster you move. The problem is especially that if an craft moves at Mach 10, a following aircraft might not know it was there and be caught in the wake turbulence resulting in an upset or crash.

 

[Zophos]