LCD and Plasma Bargains

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Cool, I just saw it and posted here to see what you say. Not planning on buying anything. Still using my 51 cm old school National with no remote. True story. :sick:

Hehe. Well they are still best for SD and sport. In fact best overall PQ is still on CRT. Plasma and LCD still catching up for the most part. :D

Anyway, I'd only consider the LED-backlit Samsung Series 5 LCD if:

-Green freak, want to save 20 - 30% electricity (±R20 per month)
-Very bright room/office/shop where LED back-lighting's higher brightness will be of benefit

Otherwise normal LCD will be much better, or plasma. Normal LCD has better colours and even back-lighting.
 
Is this a good deal? Game has a Samsung 40" LED FHD for R5799 until 4 December - another Walmart deal. Don't see a model number, but they claim the real price is R7499.

http://www.game.co.za/RapidCat/game/rsa/pages/page-4.jpg

Actually, if its the 5003 its a good deal. The 5003 is a 100Hz LED 5 Series, basically like the 6 series without the smart apps. So motion handling will be much better than the 5 series LCD.
 
Actually, if its the 5003 its a good deal. The 5003 is a 100Hz LED 5 Series, basically like the 6 series without the smart apps. So motion handling will be much better than the 5 series LCD.
Not sure I'd agree with this. The 5 series LEDs still only have a 50Hz engine, they achieve their 100 CMR rating by using LED backlight strobing to supposedly improve motion handling. In my opinion not that effective based on the C5000s we have at the office, cant image the D5X00 being dramatically better.

Only the 6 series have true > 50Hz engines; D6000 has 100Hz DSP + LED motion = 200 CMR, D6400/D6600 have 200Hz DSP + LED motion = 400 CMR
 
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What is the extra electricty usage of a 43" plasma vs a 40" or 42" lcd?

IIRC about R15 extra per month for "average viewing", what ever that is. Basically nothing to be a major concern. Sure someone can work it out though.
 
What is the extra electricty usage of a 43" plasma vs a 40" or 42" lcd?

It really depends on what you are watching and the backlight settings, work on an average of 170 to 180watts for the plasma and about 110 to 120 for an LCD and a bit lower for LED probably around 80 or so. But these figures are honestly depending on settings, if your backlight on your LCD is at 20 then you going to use a lot more power and if your plasma is showing a lot of movies with a lot of bright scenes this goes up to.
So here is a basic guide for an 8 hours day, at the lowest wattage.
Plasma: 1.36 kilowatts
LCD: 0.8 kilowatts
LED: 0.64 kilowatts

Over the course of 30 days
Plasma: 40.8 kilowatts (units)
LCD: 24 kilowatts (units)
LED: 19.2 kilowatts (units)

Hope that helps. There are some LCD's that sit at 200 to 240 watts and some plasmas that go to 300 watts but those are older or cheap brands.
 
Not sure I'd agree with this. The 5 series LEDs still only have a 50Hz engine, they achieve their 100 CMR rating by using LED backlight strobing to supposedly improve motion handling. In my opinion not that effective based on the C5000s we have at the office, cant image the D5X00 being dramatically better.

Only the 6 series have true > 50Hz engines; D6000 has 100Hz DSP + LED motion = 200 CMR, D6400/D6600 have 200Hz DSP + LED motion = 400 CMR

Huh??? Say what? Please explain and how do you know this?
 
Huh??? Say what? Please explain and how do you know this?
As mentioned have a few C5000s at the office which I watch on a daily basis, so have a good feel for how well LED motion only works in compaison to DSP based motion handling. (100Hz+).

I've also checked out & compared the D 5000s & 6000 quite extensively. From the available settings its clearly visible that the 5s only have LED motion handling while the 6s additionally have DSP based motion handling like anti-blur, anti-judder (settings are separate menu items).

BTW here is a brief explanation of Samsung's Clear Motion Rate ratings ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5uFsyuHV3E
 
As mentioned have a few C5000s at the office which I watch on a daily basis, so have a good feel for how well LED motion only works in compaison to DSP based motion handling. (100Hz+).

I've also checked out & compared the D 5000s & 6000 quite extensively. From the available settings its clearly visible that the 5s only have LED motion handling while the 6s additionally have DSP based motion handling like anti-blur, anti-judder (settings are separate menu items).

BTW here is a brief explanation of Samsung's Clear Motion Rate ratings ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5uFsyuHV3E

Interesting! Thanks!
 
Do u guys reckon if ur tv is only hd ready then getting a blu ray player to watch blu ray movies is pointless? Or if not pointless then u not getting at least 720p goodness?
 
Do u guys reckon if ur tv is only hd ready then getting a blu ray player to watch blu ray movies is pointless? Or if not pointless then u not getting at least 720p goodness?

Depends on how large a Blu-ray collection you'll have, as well as viewing distance & your ability/inability to tell the difference.

Your OP had little emphasis on BR, also IIRC you sit outside of the guidelines for distance/FFHD experience, for the +-40" you're aiming at getting with your budget.

I think we've reasoned on paper enough, time for you to go test in person. ;)
 
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Certainly I own zero blu ray discs and dont intend buying any. So probably the only way I might acquire a BR player is if I get a ps3. Gonna try goto Game today :D
 
Now just don't forget the whole shop lighting aspect. LED-LCD will most likely look best in store under bright shop lighting.

You should go in to purely discern between 720p and 1080p from your home viewing distance - but I doubt Game will be able to demo this properly...

Just leaving this here, excellent summary:

Which is better depends on a number of factors/requirements...

If screen-size vs price is a key issue, then plasma offers bigger screens for less cash.
If dark blacks and overall colour balance in lower ambient light levels are factors then, once again, plasma wins out
If full HD at smaller screen size is an issue, then LCD/LED are the only real options
If live sport and motion-intensive video material are a major usage, then plasma offers less motion smearing at realistic prices.
If the viewing area is brightly lit then LED backlit LCD offers the best solution

Taking the options...

Plasma: Pro: Size:Cost ratio, good motion reproduction, good blacks & colour; Con: Heat generated by panel, Full HD only on larger panels, best in lowish ambient light levels
CCFL-backlit LCD: Pro: Costs dropping due to LED, Full HD on small panels, low heat generation, work well in highish ambient light levels; Con: CCFL lamp(s) blows = replace panel, motion smearing on cheaper panels, blacks not black
LED-backlit LCD: Pro: Prices improving due to volumes, Full HD on small panels, low heat generation, low current consumption, work very well in high ambient light levels, should last due to LEDs; Con: Motion smearing on cheaper panels, blacks not back

The best plasma panel I've ever seen was the latest design level TV from Pioneer but it was pricey. The picture at full HD on a 46" panel was the best I've ever seen on any flat panel.
CCFL (Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp) panels usually have lamp integrated into panel, so if lamp packs up, then the panel can be thrown away. One or two manufacturers (Sharp? Toshiba? I'm not sure which) use replaceable CCFL "modules" but these are also quite pricey.
LED-backlit panels come in two flavours:

1) Direct-illuminated where LEDs are located across the full screen area. These allow individual area LEDs to be turned off completely for better blacks, but the cost is higher and panels tend to be thicker
2) Edge-illuminated where LEDs are located around the edges. Blacks not as black as direct-illuminated, but panels can be very thin and the cost tends to be lower

Motion smearing has been recognised as an issue in LCD panels and manufacturers have reacted by offering faster refresh rates (up to 400fps) and interpolative software to plug in the additional frames over and above the typical video standard of 25fps

Another common misunderstanding lies in the size vs viewing distance equation. Many people ignore the mix of programme material and the resultant mix in source resolutions viewed. Selecting a humungous panel based only on HD program material at a given viewing distance provides a set-up that optimised for HD, but is NOT optimised for lower resolution material, which becomes very grainy and over-pixellated. When selecting panel size, REMEMBER to take into account source programming to be viewed!

So, what it all comes down to is that it's a case of horses for courses - depending on your requirements balance or priorities - where one technology will best address your specific needs. To attempt to define one as "the best" in all circumstances is likely to be misleading.

Late last year, a nearby lightning strike on the power line caused a surge that took out our old CRT TV sets so we decided to move to flat screens. Wife and I have very different tastes in viewing materials, so we did not go for one large (42" or larger) panel but chose, instead, to opt for 2 x 32" TVs. After much activity viewing options, we settled for 2 x Samsung 32" Full HD LED-backlit LCD TVs (UA32C5000). After almost a year, I have no regrets whatsoever - viewing distance is just under 3m in both cases and 32" is a good compromise size at this distance when viewing a mix of terrestrial analogue material (SABC/eTV/MNet) and HD movies.

Finally, DO TAKE THE TROUBLE TO RTFM AND GET TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO OPTIMISE THE COLOUR/CONTRAST/BRIGHTNESS/GAMMA SETTINGS! Also, switch the set from "Showroom" to "Home" (or whatever terminology is used) before carrying out adjustments to picture. If you want to get the best out of any panel - be it plasma or LCD - the picture settings need to be optimised for the environment(s) in which the TV will be used. You may well need to set up two or more sets of settings - one for daytime viewing and another for nighttime viewing.

A Tip: Rather than approach picture settings from scratch, I went web-surfing and Googled the make/model and "picture settings" and then read the posts found and selected one set that seemed to match my needs and setup the Samsung TV to the settings shown in the post. This gave very good results and a fine picture that only needed a few minor "tweaks" to optimise for my tastes. Much quicker and less frustrating than starting from first principles!

Have fun!
 
Samsung PS51D450 (plasma) best price?

Can anyone verify if Game (or anywhere else in Cpt) is currently selling the PS51D450 for R5999? I will phone them tomorrow when i get a chance. Thx in advance :)
 
Can anyone verify if Game (or anywhere else in Cpt) is currently selling the PS51D450 for R5999? I will phone them tomorrow when i get a chance. Thx in advance :)

Probably best to get a retailer whose price is less than Game's to fax or email you a quote, then take it to Game. They will want to contact the other retailer to verify. Last time I checked, Foto Discount World was selling that unit for R6195. If you call them then they will email you a quote.
 
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