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Craig_
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I saw the lady in red the other day at the spar, didn't see you though. Looks nice, but still prefer the black bitch with her sexy lines.
Rouxenator
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The looks and size are the things I miss most about my temperamental black bitch, as time goes by I only remember the good things of my French affair.
The red headed German is more fun to drive though, but not as stunning to look at.
More on topic, the shifts in the Astra is way more precise than the 407. Which is good because Opels of old always had a rubbery/notchy feel to gear shifts.
The red headed German is more fun to drive though, but not as stunning to look at.
More on topic, the shifts in the Astra is way more precise than the 407. Which is good because Opels of old always had a rubbery/notchy feel to gear shifts.
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The red headed german also has power so next time I meet you on a wet road I'll just look the other way and pretend to not see you.
FiestaST
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You Can Always Go Back to a Stick-Shift Volkswagen GTI - One Take - TheSmokingTire
FiestaST
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Analysis: are manual gearboxes on the way out?
Most cars sold in the UK now are automatic. We examine what future there is for stick-shifters
The UK car market reached a significant markstone in the first nine months of this year: it was the first time that we had bought more cars with automatic gearboxes than manual gearboxes.
The slow demise of manuals has been showing in sales data for a while, but the trend has spiked markedly in the past three years. It also coincides with an announcement earlier this month of the first major European car maker to stop producing manual gearboxes altogether.
The UK car market reached a significant markstone in the first nine months of this year: it was the first time that we had bought more cars with automatic gearboxes than manual gearboxes.
The slow demise of manuals has been showing in sales data for a while, but the trend has spiked markedly in the past three years. It also coincides with an announcement earlier this month of the first major European car maker to stop producing manual gearboxes altogether.
Mercedes-Benz confirmed that it will do this as part of a cost-cutting initiative that also includes drastically reducing its range of combustion engines. Manuals will be phased out between now and 2030, according to a spokesman.
Mercedes now offers manuals only in its compact models, which include the A-Class and GLA, and the C-Class. We expect next year’s new-generation C-Class to drop the manual option entirely. Manuals have long been held in affection by enthusiasts for providing an important physical connection between driver and car. In the past, they also provided better fuel economy than traditional torque converters, and they’re certainly cheaper to produce.
Now the broader demand for easy-to-use technology and the rise of the dual-clutch automatic gearbox, with its precise driver control, are elbowing out the manual. “An automatic is becoming another feature that’s taken for granted in a car, like electric windows,” said Felipe Munoz, an analyst at market researcher Jato Dynamics.
www.autocar.co.uk
Most cars sold in the UK now are automatic. We examine what future there is for stick-shifters
The UK car market reached a significant markstone in the first nine months of this year: it was the first time that we had bought more cars with automatic gearboxes than manual gearboxes.
The slow demise of manuals has been showing in sales data for a while, but the trend has spiked markedly in the past three years. It also coincides with an announcement earlier this month of the first major European car maker to stop producing manual gearboxes altogether.
The UK car market reached a significant markstone in the first nine months of this year: it was the first time that we had bought more cars with automatic gearboxes than manual gearboxes.
The slow demise of manuals has been showing in sales data for a while, but the trend has spiked markedly in the past three years. It also coincides with an announcement earlier this month of the first major European car maker to stop producing manual gearboxes altogether.
Mercedes-Benz confirmed that it will do this as part of a cost-cutting initiative that also includes drastically reducing its range of combustion engines. Manuals will be phased out between now and 2030, according to a spokesman.
Mercedes now offers manuals only in its compact models, which include the A-Class and GLA, and the C-Class. We expect next year’s new-generation C-Class to drop the manual option entirely. Manuals have long been held in affection by enthusiasts for providing an important physical connection between driver and car. In the past, they also provided better fuel economy than traditional torque converters, and they’re certainly cheaper to produce.
Now the broader demand for easy-to-use technology and the rise of the dual-clutch automatic gearbox, with its precise driver control, are elbowing out the manual. “An automatic is becoming another feature that’s taken for granted in a car, like electric windows,” said Felipe Munoz, an analyst at market researcher Jato Dynamics.
Analysis: are manual gearboxes on the way out? | Autocar
Most cars sold in the UK now are automatic. We examine what future there is for stick-shifters
www.autocar.co.uk
6spdmanual
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Still part of the Manual Brigade, and I think I will be for a while.
FiestaST
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BMW Bids Farewell To Dual-Clutch Transmission
BMW has been using the dual-clutch transmission (DCT) in a lot of its M Performance cars to great success but we have seen a recent shift to traditional torque-converter transmissions.
Owners of DCT-equipped M cars absolutely loved it for its rapid-fire shifts, ease of use in traffic and added theatre over a traditional automatic. When the F90 M5 jumped ship to a conventional, torque-converter eight-speed automatic from ZF, fans were a bit disappointed.
Yes the ZF eight-speed is a sublime piece of engineering with lightning-fast and silky smooth shifts so fitting it to the super sedan known as the M5 makes perfect sense.
BMW M has slowly phased out the much-loved DCT and it is now entirely gone and it will never make a return.
For the foreseeable future, all self-shifting transmission will be traditional torque-converter automatics of some kind; be it the current ZF eight-speed or an updated unit.
www.zero2turbo.com
BMW has been using the dual-clutch transmission (DCT) in a lot of its M Performance cars to great success but we have seen a recent shift to traditional torque-converter transmissions.
Owners of DCT-equipped M cars absolutely loved it for its rapid-fire shifts, ease of use in traffic and added theatre over a traditional automatic. When the F90 M5 jumped ship to a conventional, torque-converter eight-speed automatic from ZF, fans were a bit disappointed.
Yes the ZF eight-speed is a sublime piece of engineering with lightning-fast and silky smooth shifts so fitting it to the super sedan known as the M5 makes perfect sense.
BMW M has slowly phased out the much-loved DCT and it is now entirely gone and it will never make a return.
For the foreseeable future, all self-shifting transmission will be traditional torque-converter automatics of some kind; be it the current ZF eight-speed or an updated unit.
BMW Bids Farewell To Dual-Clutch Transmission
Efficiency is more important than almost all else in today’s automotive climate and the DCT is a casualty of the times.
www.zero2turbo.com
They are probably on another money saving drive.. A torque converter is much cheaper than 2 clutches.. But they will sell the product for even more as if it is something special.. Go figure.BMW Bids Farewell To Dual-Clutch Transmission
BMW has been using the dual-clutch transmission (DCT) in a lot of its M Performance cars to great success but we have seen a recent shift to traditional torque-converter transmissions.
Owners of DCT-equipped M cars absolutely loved it for its rapid-fire shifts, ease of use in traffic and added theatre over a traditional automatic. When the F90 M5 jumped ship to a conventional, torque-converter eight-speed automatic from ZF, fans were a bit disappointed.
Yes the ZF eight-speed is a sublime piece of engineering with lightning-fast and silky smooth shifts so fitting it to the super sedan known as the M5 makes perfect sense.
BMW M has slowly phased out the much-loved DCT and it is now entirely gone and it will never make a return.
For the foreseeable future, all self-shifting transmission will be traditional torque-converter automatics of some kind; be it the current ZF eight-speed or an updated unit.
BMW Bids Farewell To Dual-Clutch Transmission
Efficiency is more important than almost all else in today’s automotive climate and the DCT is a casualty of the times.
But then mercedes are doing the same thing with engines moving from v6 to straight 6.. Only need 1 inlet manifold 1 exhaust 1 turbo 1 set of camshafts instead of 2 of everything. So go figure that too.
Soon we will also have straight 8 instead of v8 but longer bonnets.. I wonder if longer bonnets are cheaper than shorter motors?
Geoff.D
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Personally, I am pleased to see the demise of DCT systems, simply because when fitted to underpowered bottom feeder "automatics" all you get is a vehicle that is a menace driven by incompetent drivers.
Dan C
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The only incompetent drivers are the manual drivers. Bloody hell, I hate it when they stall their engines.
Please explain better Geoff, I'm not understanding properly..
What typically is an underpowered bottom feeder?
And how does a vehicle become a menace?
I imagine a hyndai atos driven by someone who has bought their licence..
and the lazy automatic tards that drink coffee , eat and play with their little touch infotainment screens when they should have their eyes on the road ???????
The Voice
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In a way, have to agree. Never saw the point of a 1.4l with a DSG.
The Voice
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Mine automatically (excuse the pun) disables the touch screen as soon as I go over 5mph.
And don't hate because we have a free hand and left leg!
Dan C
Honorary Master
Coffee ? We drink beer like responsible drivers do.
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Precisely... Beer to start the day, hardtack in the afternoon. It's only pansy manual drivers who do that coffee malarky.
Dan C
Honorary Master
Yes. I have better use for my left hand when driving my hot neighbours daughter to college.
FiestaST
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That's pretty cool.
