Manual vs Automatic

Geoff.D said:
Personally, I am pleased to see the demise of DCT systems, simply because when fitted to underpowered bottom feeder "automatics" all you get is a vehicle that is a menace driven by incompetent drivers.
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I don’t know of a single bottom feeder underpowered car as you call it fitted with DCT.

You’ll need to provide examples.
 
soload00 said:
What would a clutch replacement for a luxury car have cost?
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A more fair question would have been what would the automatic Almera have cost to fix.

Or more fairly, would it have broken in the first place like the manual has?
 
BMW M will keep manual gearbox alive ‘as long as there are buyers’

Want the manual gearbox to survive? Well, put your money where your mouth is and buy a model equipped with such a transmission. That’s the underlying message from BMW M.

Hagen Franke, head of product management for the new BMW M3 and M4, described the manual cog-swapper as being part of the “heritage” of the German firm’s high-performance division.

“We just love to drive the manual transmission. It has been part of our heritage and legacy since the first BMW M3,” Franke said during an online roundtable event attended by CARmag.co.za.

“The manual is ‘just right’ within our brand and as long as there are customers who also want to have this kind of motoring, we are quite happy to provide this opportunity to them,” he added.

Regardless, we asked Franke what sort of sales split between automatic and manual models the company forecast for its new performance twins.

“We expect on a global basis roughly ten percent of all new BMW M3s and M4s to be equipped with manual transmissions,” he told us.

www.carmag.co.za

BMW M will keep manual gearbox alive ‘as long as there are buyers’ - CAR Magazine

Want the manual gearbox to survive? Well, put your money where your mouth is and buy a model equipped with such a transmission. That’s the […]
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FiestaST said:
BMW M will keep manual gearbox alive ‘as long as there are buyers’
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The moment that automatic gearboxes were able to outperform manual variants was the beginning of the end imho. Then again, I'm not sure that it even matters since combustion engines and their gearboxes are on the way out.
 
quovadis said:
The moment that automatic gearboxes were able to outperform manual variants was the beginning of the end imho. Then again, I'm not sure that it even matters since combustion engines and their gearboxes are on the way out.
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Some automatic's have been able to 'outperform' manual gearboxes for a long time, some drivers simply enjoy changing gears manually.
 
Neuk_ said:
I'm a little late but he is probably referring to the likes of the 1.0 TSi Polo's?
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I took a trip between Die Wilgers and Centurion on Friday past. In our Opel Corsa 1600 5 speed manual, on the back roads.
The number of idiots in their stupid automatics that could not get a move on was astounding!
Big fat lazy slobs on their cell phones waiting for their cars to change gears .........
From top of the range BMWs through to the bottom feeder crap ones of all sorts of makes.
The BMW was driven by a women who hardly could see over the bonnet craning her neck and hanging on the steering wheel for support.
 
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Geoff.D said:
I took a trip between Die Wilgers and Centurion on Friday past. In our Opel Corsa 1600 5 speed manual, on the back roads.
The number of idiots in their stupid automatics that could not get a move on was astounding!
Big fat lazy slobs on their cell phones waiting for their cars to change gears .........
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How do you know they were waiting for their gears to change? Or that they were automatics?
 
Geoff.D said:
I took a trip between Die Wilgers and Centurion on Friday past. In our Opel Corsa 1600 5 speed manual, on the back roads.
The number of idiots in their stupid automatics that could not get a move on was astounding!
Big fat lazy slobs on their cell phones waiting for their cars to change gears .........
From top of the range BMWs through to the bottom feeder crap ones of all sorts of makes.
The BMW was driven by a women who hardly could see over the bonnet craning her neck and hanging on the steering wheel for support.
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You mean woman, and was she also a fat lazy slob on her phone, whilst hanging onto the steering wheel?
 
Geoff.D said:
I took a trip between Die Wilgers and Centurion on Friday past. In our Opel Corsa 1600 5 speed manual, on the back roads.
The number of idiots in their stupid automatics that could not get a move on was astounding!
Big fat lazy slobs on their cell phones waiting for their cars to change gears .........
From top of the range BMWs through to the bottom feeder crap ones of all sorts of makes.
The BMW was driven by a women who hardly could see over the bonnet craning her neck and hanging on the steering wheel for support.
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Maybe you should change up to a merc c43 3000 twin turbo with 9 speed dct auto, then you could roar past them without even changing down.
 
Geoff.D said:
I took a trip between Die Wilgers and Centurion on Friday past. In our Opel Corsa 1600 5 speed manual, on the back roads.
The number of idiots in their stupid automatics that could not get a move on was astounding!
Big fat lazy slobs on their cell phones waiting for their cars to change gears .........
From top of the range BMWs through to the bottom feeder crap ones of all sorts of makes.
The BMW was driven by a women who hardly could see over the bonnet craning her neck and hanging on the steering wheel for support.
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The majority of automatics can downshift and upshift on demand either by paddles behind the steering wheel or shifting the gear lever to the left and pushing forward or backwards. This has been like this for almost 2 decades now - perhaps they're not trying to get a move on?

Edit: Just to add - most have modes that specify how aggressive your gear changes are too. And this is not specific to luxury vehicles - even the VW Polo 1600 that I used to get as a loaner while my vehicle was being serviced had this years back.
 
Geoff.D said:
I took a trip between Die Wilgers and Centurion on Friday past. In our Opel Corsa 1600 5 speed manual, on the back roads.
The number of idiots in their stupid automatics that could not get a move on was astounding!
Big fat lazy slobs on their cell phones waiting for their cars to change gears .........
From top of the range BMWs through to the bottom feeder crap ones of all sorts of makes.
The BMW was driven by a women who hardly could see over the bonnet craning her neck and hanging on the steering wheel for support.
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The amount of rubbish you type is astounding,a "top of the range BMW" would be something like a 135i or 330d or something at a minimum... and those would change down and leave your little 1600 corsa 5 speed back in 19voetsek before you even thought of reaching 2500rpm.....:ROFL:

But yeah anyway,I drove a friends GT4 manual the other week,damn I'm in love with that car!

I must buy one in the next few years,new goal set!And yes I would choose it over the pdk 911 probably just because it's so balanced and fun to drive.....but that would be a weekend fun drive,my daily drive will be a diesel automatic BMW until we get electric cars readily available in south africa.They make the most sense as a daily drive or even a relaxed trip with the family.
 
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falcon786 said:
The amount of rubbish you type is astounding,a "top of the range BMW" would be something like a 135i or 330d or something at a minimum... and those would change down and leave your silly 1600 corsa 5 speed back in 19voetsek before you even thought of reaching 2500rpm.....:ROFL:

But yeah anyway,I drove a friends GT4 manual the other week,damn I'm in love with that car!

I must buy one in the next few years,new goal set!And yes I would choose it over the pdk 911 probably just because it's so balanced and fun to drive.....but that would be a weekend fun drive,my daily drive will be a diesel automatic BMW until we get electric cars readily available in south africa.They make the most sense as a daily drive or even a relaxed trip with the family.
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Porsche Cayman GT4?
 
falcon786 said:
The amount of rubbish you type is astounding,a "top of the range BMW" would be something like a 135i or 330d or something at a minimum... and those would change down and leave your little 1600 corsa 5 speed back in 19voetsek before you even thought of reaching 2500rpm.....:ROFL:

But yeah anyway,I drove a friends GT4 manual the other week,damn I'm in love with that car!

I must buy one in the next few years,new goal set!And yes I would choose it over the pdk 911 probably just because it's so balanced and fun to drive.....but that would be a weekend fun drive,my daily drive will be a diesel automatic BMW until we get electric cars readily available in south africa.They make the most sense as a daily drive or even a relaxed trip with the family.
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Not if driven by a moron who should not be allowed to own a wheel barrow! Then it is just a damn menace on the roads! People buy cars for the status NOT because they need them or know what the hell to do with it!

The fact that you can't see what my point is about is precisely the issue! It has very little to do with the vehicles themselves, BUT all about those who own automatics and top of the range cars who have no damn clue about how to drive them properly!

The fact that I in my little 1600 Corsa can out-accelerate them and reach the speed limit before they have even reach second gear IS the indictment.
 
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DrewChan said:
Is it just me or are more and more cars Automatic... I have been looking on the sedan side of things and everything is bloody Automatic :( here I am specifically mentioning the Sonata, however most c-class mercs and Audi A4s seem to be Automatic too.
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I like automatics of today, however the maintance quality is in question.

I remember years ago a 4 Cyl automatic came out some bought it, utter rubbish it was, its best trip always was the 1st one from showroom floor to your house, after that tears.
 
Underpowered cars aside manual is basically dead. (well maybe not sports cars for the pure fun but not performance aspect)
 
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